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The system did not need a full constellation of 24 satellites to be operational. And that is why the Department of Defense allowed civilian use back in the 1980s. Which means my orginal statement of GPS numbers being used to find the man-made object on Ararat in 1989 was both accurate, and valid.
You continue to avoid the hard questions with this nonsense
Who the hell cares....This has absolutely nothing to do with the flood myth, and you are still blind the fact that you are wrong that the plane in the glacier does anything to support your pet myth....
Do you have ANY understanding of the technology? Or, is it just more of your cut and paste argument from dubious internet sites?
High-resolution photographs of an anomaly on Ararat located at 39 degrees 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes east longitude show what appears to be a large man-made object. This object was spotted with the Ikonos satellite. Better pictures of the object are out there, yet the CIA will now allow anyone to see them. This object is on the same mountain were the Bible tells us the Ark of Noah landed. Eye witiness accounts have told us the Ark is there and broken in two. A recent photograph taken in 1989 show us one of the broken sections of this object. However, there is so much deep and unstable ice, the climber could get no closer than a quarter mile.
A non believer in Noahs Ark speaks with Robin Simmons, the non believer is a 30 year remote sensing technician, who looks at pictures taken from satellites. Hear what he has to say when he views the top of Mt. Ararat. If you know the stories that have been spoken by so many in the past about the Ark being on Ararat. This remote sensing technicians accounts, are really amazing. And his account confirms the Ed Davis story.
High-resolution photographs of an anomaly on Ararat located at 39 degrees 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes east longitude show what appears to be a large man-made object. [/url]
'Appears to be'and IS are two very different things.
Do you really and truly believe that if it was there, there wouldn't be anything more than a few grainy photographs that can't be identified? Do you really believe that by now someone wouldn't have thought about using a helicopter to get within a few feet of it and then using sophisticated camera equipment and other methods to identify it? Do you think that the Turkish government would not have seen the huge financial rewards such a discovery would earn? Come on dude! Use a little bit of common sense here.
THERE WERE NOT 24 FRIGGIN GPS SATELLITES IN ORBIT IN THE 1980s!!!!!!
(brevity snip, though regrettably, because you DO provide a massive wealth of useful info....
i'll just re-summarize for our stubborn recalcitrant, who will only read "The Hovind Daily Prevaricator" for his sourcees...)
"A full constellation of 24 satellites was achieved in 1994."
"On June 26, 1993, .. the U.S. Air Force launched the 24th Navstar satellite ... completing a network of 24 satellites known as the Global Positioning System, or GPS."
"The Air Force launched the first Block I research and development satellite in February 1978, and as of February 1991, the GPS network consisted of six Block I R&D satellites. These satellites were used for the development and testing of Navstar receivers and user equipment. "
(Note: they did not integrate at that time with ANY handhelds..)
"After the Soviet shooting down of the Korean airliner KAL 007 in 1983, President Ronald Regan announced that the civilian population would have access for use to the GPS navigation system once it was completed.
(Note: did Tom catch that important provision? Reagan said "Go" but it didn't then happen overnight.)
During President Bill Clinton’s administration the government realized the importance of the GPS system to civilian users as well as the military. Clinton then created the Interagency GPS Executive Board to administer and over see the Global Positioning System. At this point GPS really became a dual-use system for both civilian and military use."
Although the U.S. Department of Defense began work on the Global Positioning System in the early 1970s, GPS was not declared fully operational until 1993, following the successful deployment of the remaining satellites in the 24-satellite constellation. From the mid-1980s through the early 1990s, commercial use of GPS was limited to fixed-station applications, such as survey, or applications which did not require 24-hour daily satellite coverage, such as off-shore shipping and boating.
(NOTE: Oooopppsssss...)
Lastly, from the Library of Congress (www.loc.gov)
"In 1989 the Magellan Corp. introduced the first hand-held GPS receiver." (this was the Magellan Nav 1000 and sold for just under $3000.)
(And Stephens dies the next year. Musta been the strain of lugging his tripod-mounted GPS receiver up 13,000 ft to an already established location that didn't even need such a fix.
Which brings us back to that nagging but unanswered question again: what does GPS have to do with a proof of a flood or an Ark? Again; it's just a sad and sorrty attempt to validate some hocus-pocus pseudo-science.
Unfortunately, as always, we catch them in their usual LFJ hijinks, which they still defend. to the ugly end.)
The first EXPERIMENTAL Block 1 GPS satellite was launched in 1978. All the Block 1 satellites launched between 1978 and 1985 were EXPERIMENTAL and used for proof-of-concept. Big difference between operational and experimental. Initial Operational Capability (IOC) wasn't reached until 1993. The GPS system did not reach full operational capability (FOC) until 1995.
It wasn't until then that civilian use came into being.
Ark hunters in the mid-1980s would not have had access to GPS. The only civilian application at that time was surveying being done by NOAA.
This was part of the testing of the system and they did not have a full constellation to work with. BTW, of you are going to use the argument that the airlines and private aviation were using it right after the KAL 007 shootdown, GPS was not approved for civil use by the FAA until June 9, 1993.
God, you're stubborn.
Oh Fullback; you're SUCH a KILLJOY! And Tom thought he had us by the short-and-curlies....
'Appears to be'and IS are two very different things.
Do you really and truly believe that if it was there, there wouldn't be anything more than a few grainy photographs that can't be identified? Do you really believe that by now someone wouldn't have thought about using a helicopter to get within a few feet of it and then using sophisticated camera equipment and other methods to identify it? Do you think that the Turkish government would not have seen the huge financial rewards such a discovery would earn? Come on dude! Use a little bit of common sense here.
I believe the Turkish government hopes Noahs Ark will never found, at least, not on Ararat. Turkey is pretty much a Muslim country. And according to their Holy Book, which they claim was authored by their God. The Ark of Noah landed on a mountain 200 miles south of Mt. Ararat. If the Ark shows up on Mt. Arart, it will show their God to be a liar. And this will do little to bring stability to that part of the world. Common sense, also requires you to understand the big picture here. The real Mt. Sinia was discovered not that long ago. And this was in another Muslim country. That discovery again confirms accounts spoken of in the Bible. That Muslim country, has now built a six foot fence around the entire mountain, and will not allow anyone from the west to go there. Muslims are not big on making a case for the Bible.
Helicopter use is restricted over Mt. Ararat by the Turkish government. Yet one of those who help get the picture in 1989, was able to get permission to use one shortly after that. However, the Turkish military refused to let them land it on the mountain. And by the time they did get over the object in question, another 23 feet of snow had covered most of it.
4.5 Unanswered Questions: 1. Who cares about GPS coordinates? (Especially since we've proved conclusively that the ARKists didn't have or use them on the dates provided). Who cares? Did anyone have trouble finding this famous rockpile outcrop? 2. Noah's Number. How many? [Why won't ANY "credible" honest Christian literalist answer this one? I'm gonna have to judge this one a total loss for their side soon, by default and popular vote.]
3. Varves: Fact or Fiction? (According to the literalist Christian YEC point of view. Reasons? ...aside from the Hovind Proclivity to Pathological Lies)..
3.5 Last add-on question: Any good reason no-one will answer these questions properly, without deflection or denialism? Are they not clear enough?
Oh Fullback; you're SUCH a KILLJOY! And Tom thought he had us by the short-and-curlies....
Next....
Let me cut through your nonsense real quick here. In 1988 Magellan introduced the first commercial handheld GPS, named the NAV 1000.
It could track four satellites. And during that same year, Trimble introduced its Trimpak. Although slightly larger than the NAV 1000, it could still be held in one hand. That was in the year 1988. Those who went up on Mt. Ararat to take the picture of the object in question, did so, in the year 1989. And as pointed out here, these GPS receivers did not require 24 working satellites. So rifleman, do you think everyone that bought one back then, just put it in their dresser drawer because they didn't have enought satellites in orbit? LOL
I believe the Turkish government hopes Noahs Ark will never found, at least, not on Ararat. Turkey is pretty much a Muslim country. And according to their Holy Book, which they claim was authored by their God. The Ark of Noah landed on a mountain 200 miles south of Mt. Ararat. If the Ark shows up on Mt. Arart, it will show their God to be a liar. And this will do little to bring stability to that part of the world. Common sense, also requires you to understand the big picture here. The real Mt. Sinia was discovered not that long ago. And this was in another Muslim country. That discovery again confirms accounts spoken of in the Bible. That Muslim country, has now built a six foot fence around the entire mountain, and will not allow anyone from the west to go there. Muslims are not big on making a case for the Bible.
Lies. Even tourists can climb Sinai.
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Helicopter use is restricted over Mt. Ararat by the Turkish government.
Silly rabbit. IF that's true (and I am so used to your lies by now that I suspect it's not)...IF it's true, it's going to be due to safety concerns over the altitude. You do realize, do you not...that most helicopters don't have a very high maximum altitude? A Bell has a ceiling height of around 8000 feet, or else the tail rotor stalls out.
You think the Turkish government feels like spending the money to mount a rescue mission for moronic ark-seekers who crash on their mountain while looking for a non-existent fairy tale?
Puhleeze.
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Wrong wrong wrong.
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