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Ah, now you are falling back on "With God anything is possible". That will sure shorten your argument won't it.
I can't tell you what I don't know. Just like science has no answer how the universe came into existance. I just focus on facts that we can consider, and not debate things that can only lead us into unending speculations.
There is NO evidence of that mythical barge on Ararat, or anywhere else.
As long as you are willing to dismiss both the Biblical, human, and satellite discoveries, you can make that claim. However, your belief, is more mythical than the facts on the ground.
As long as you are willing to dismiss both the Biblical, human, and satellite discoveries, you can make that claim. However, your belief, is more mythical than the facts on the ground.
Nope, you have shown us nothing except what you believe, which is no evidence at all....You have been lead astray by people like Ron Wyatt...No ark anywhere ever. Never was.
Every claim you make is easily refuted, especially the bible.
Well Asheville Native, I wish I could answer all your questions, yet trying to do that would require a lot of speculation. And I would rather focus on facts I do know. It's kind of like asking me, how does a T.V. or radio work? Could I answer that question? No I could not. And because I could not answer that question, does that mean the existance of T.V. and radio are but myths. No, it just means I don't have that understanding.
There is no shame in not understanding how TV and radio work, but there are a vast number of people that have an excellent understanding of how it works, and their careers are revolved around making it work. I can do the same for computers and have a functional understand of how TV and radio work.
There are many other things that I cannot explain the workings of, but I'm sure that I could easily find many many people that could provide a factual and accurate description of how things I don't understand work.
You profess that the ark actually exists on a mountain side, so you must be saying you take the story as factual. That said, how do you rationalize the rather simple and straight forward questions I and others have asked?
Now why can you not find someone that can provide a factual and reasonable explanation as to how Noah accomplished the feats I question? Is it possible that this fable is so outrageous that you must resort to claiming ignorance as a diversion.
You stated you don't deny the modern science we have today, yet no one has been able to use the huge advancements in technology to find what must have been a very huge boat, as it had to hold approximately 6 Million (a conservative estimate) species. Granted some are small, but they had to be fed, and protected from larger animals.
And why do we have ants, and anteaters which only eat ants today.
Or fruit flies with a 8 - 10 day life cycle, and each female producing 500 offspring, (there would be about 6 BILLION flies by the 40 day mark) along would have easily consumed all the food needed long before the waters subsided. And that is only 1 species of the millions of insects with short life spans and staggering reproductive abilities.
Too many problematic FACTS here. No Noah's Ark. Fini.
Actually, Tom, Stephens said it was a one-piece boat, which coincides with one of my points about Christian-generated conflicting information that you consistently fail to answer. Your WW-II pilot says it was in two pieces, and 30 years later it was, amazingly, back in one piece. Talk about "backsliding" huh?
Plus all written accounts have it as a blunt barge shape, and yet Stephen's account and photos pin it as pointy-ended.
I addressed in point form the illogic of his statements, and his huge assumptions, even his statement that he'd never actually seen it or been there, but "it must be man-made!" And then you dependably repeat the same stuff back to us as though it were fact.
You are hopelessly inadequate and unprepared as an honest debator, Tom.
So.... whether you have all the scientific facts and knowledge or not, the simple confounded logic of your assumptive statements, and your denial or dismissal of other far more accredited scientists' analysis of this geological outcrop, astounds and amuses all of us.
Nope, you have shown us nothing except what you believe, which is no evidence at all....You have been lead astray by people like Ron Wyatt...No ark anywhere ever. Never was.
Every claim you make is easily refuted, especially the bible.
I have told you already that I do not believe Ron Wyatt discovered Noah's Ark. So how was I led astray by him?
And the Bible clearly tells us, the Ark landed on Mt. Ararat. And we have eyewitiness accounts of it being there. We have photos from space showing a large man-made object near the top of Mt. Ararat. And we have photos from climbers who confirm that a large man-made object is near the top of Mt. Ararat. My belief is based on evidence, not Ron Wyatt. And it appears to me, your belief is supported by ignoring evidence. So tell me,
how can you easily refute or explain away all such accounts?
Actually, Tom, Stephens said it was a one-piece boat, which coincides with one of my points about Christian-generated conflicting information that you consistently fail to answer. Your WW-II pilot says it was in two pieces, and 30 years later it was, amazingly, back in one piece. Talk about "backsliding" huh?
Plus all written accounts have it as a blunt barge shape, and yet Stephen's account and photos pin it as pointy-ended.
I addressed in point form the illogic of his statements, and his huge assumptions, even his statement that he'd never actually seen it or been there, but "it must be man-made!" And then you dependably repeat the same stuff back to us as though it were fact.
You are hopelessly inadequate and unprepared as an honest debator, Tom.
So.... whether you have all the scientific facts and knowledge or not, the simple confounded logic of your assumptive statements, and your denial or dismissal of other far more accredited scientists' analysis of this geological outcrop, astounds and amuses all of us.
(PS: NN?)
No rifleman, wrong again, George Stephen stated it was two objects not one. And George Stephen does not call it a one piece boat. Just two man-made organic objects. Nor does Stephen say it has a pointy end.
Stephen speaking. "On that mountain (Ararat) is the rectangular shape of two man-made organic objects. One above the other. Looks like maybe 1200 foot difference. Both objects look like (THEY WERE JOINED AT ONE TIME) because there's a spectral trail going down from one to the other.
I believe the only conflicting information here rifleman, appears to be coming from you. And I say that, because you don't seem to have many of your facts right. And perhaps you believe I am hopelessly inadequate and unprepared as an honest debater. However, I don't seem to have the problems giving the correct details of written accounts. And this is about the third time I'm telling you this, we are not talking about a stone outcrop here. You seem to have your stories confused with Ron Wyatt's discovery. And Wyatt's hole in the ground, has nothing to do with what was discovered near the top of Mt. Ararat.
Honestly Mr. rifleman, you really need to take sometime to get your facts in order. We are not talking about anything to do with Ron Wyatt. Or one single pointed boat. We are only talking about (TWO) man-made (OBJECTS) found at around the 14,000 to 15,000 foot Altitudes on Mt. Ararat.
There is no shame in not understanding how TV and radio work, but there are a vast number of people that have an excellent understanding of how it works, and their careers are revolved around making it work. I can do the same for computers and have a functional understand of how TV and radio work.
There are many other things that I cannot explain the workings of, but I'm sure that I could easily find many many people that could provide a factual and accurate description of how things I don't understand work.
You profess that the ark actually exists on a mountain side, so you must be saying you take the story as factual. That said, how do you rationalize the rather simple and straight forward questions I and others have asked?
Now why can you not find someone that can provide a factual and reasonable explanation as to how Noah accomplished the feats I question? Is it possible that this fable is so outrageous that you must resort to claiming ignorance as a diversion.
You stated you don't deny the modern science we have today, yet no one has been able to use the huge advancements in technology to find what must have been a very huge boat, as it had to hold approximately 6 Million (a conservative estimate) species. Granted some are small, but they had to be fed, and protected from larger animals.
And why do we have ants, and anteaters which only eat ants today.
Or fruit flies with a 8 - 10 day life cycle, and each female producing 500 offspring, (there would be about 6 BILLION flies by the 40 day mark) along would have easily consumed all the food needed long before the waters subsided. And that is only 1 species of the millions of insects with short life spans and staggering reproductive abilities.
Well, you have asked the question. Why have we not used modern technology to find such a boat? Did you just ignore what I posted? We used satellite photos to give us it's location. Yet, knowing where something is, and getting to it is two different things. George Stephen who was the photo interpretation specialist stated that the last time he saw it, the depth of ice over it was 70 feet. Now, if your up on a mountain almost three miles high. Physical effort becomes very difficult, and even those who have got close to it will tell you, the entire area is extremely dangerous. So we are presented with a host of problems. The locals do not refer to Ararat, as the mountain of pain for no good reason.
And why can we not find anyone in science who can tell us exactly how the universe came into existance, is it possible, that such a beginning is only an outrageous fable, and now science claims ignorance as a diversion? LOL
Mount Ararat is located in extreme northeast Turkey, close to the borders of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Iran. Ararat consists of two volcanic peaks: Big Ararat (5,137 m) and Little Ararat (3,914m). No eruptions of Mt. Ararat have ever been recorded, but the mountain is likely to have erupted within the past 10,000 years. Located far from any plate boundaries, the underlying cause of volcanism at Mt. Ararat is not well understood.
The top of Big Ararat is covered with snow all year long. This image is a 3-D perspective view looking from the southwest, created by draping a simulated natural color image over an Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer (ASTER)-derived digital topography model. The image was acquired on June 25, 2002, and is located at 39.75 degrees North latitude, 44.4 degrees East longitude.
Looking at the angle of dangle, it looks as if the slope is approx 30 degrees. Please explain how did the animals get off the mountain? Did they walk down in a spiral? Seeing as the topography of the summit seems very rugged, I am sure many of your mythical two by twos fell to their deaths
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Too many problematic FACTS here. No Noah's Ark. Fini.
