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Can I be a simpleton and say the basic reason we are here is to learn to live, laugh, and love? If you go beyond that it really gets too complicated, and life is complicated enough without delusions of grandeur.
Can I be a simpleton and say the basic reason we are here is to learn to live, laugh, and love? If you go beyond that it really gets too complicated, and life is complicated enough without delusions of grandeur.
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Good Christians are like politicians...they evade pointed questions. And confine their conversation to like-minded people where they all pat each other on the back for their faith.
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Originally Posted by DawnW
I think this is a warped view of God actually. What's a warped view of God? He does have a plan for everyone, but you may not like the plan. I'll ask the question again....where does it say in the Bible that He has a plan for everyone? People are so obsessed with "happiness" and I don't believe anywhere in the Bible God promises us happiness. He promises us joy in being in right fellowship with Him. He even promises eteral life that WILL be more than we can imagine it will be, but I once heard a pastor say that the only people who are happy, happy, happy all the time are on the 7th floor of a psych ward! What does happiness have to do with feeling worthless?
As for waiting for the plan.....ok, I DO NOT know you or your situation (you mention there is something in your life that everyone thinks you should change No, I didn't say everyone. I said this is something that happens with Christians, and I was using it as an example of a typical Christian-type catch phrase. so I am thinking that if everyone thinks that, it could be the thing holding you back from right relationship, How do you define "right relationship"? but I have no idea about that.).....anyway, I don't think waiting around for God to bring the "plan" to us is at all what is implied.
What are your interests? Let's see.....traveling, architecture, photography, listening to music, anything that follows a path or track (strange as that may sound), computer games, some reading, perhaps writing, building models, maybe cooking.....general things that strike me at the moment. I have my phases. What has God placed on your heart that would bring glory and honor to Him? How would I know if it is something God has placed on my heart, or if it's merely my own thoughts and ideas? How do you make the determination? Seek that and work to achieve that. You know, if I honestly did what I have an idea for doing, I don't think Christians would like it. For me, it was becoming a teacher and then a school counselor and working for 16 years in inner-city LA working with those who many didn't care to work with. God did NOT hit me over the head. He gave me a desire to be a teacher. If he had told me it would be in the inner-city I might not have actually gone through with it.....but it was a process of being obedient after getting my credentials and prayer. I have desires to do things, but I don't know WHAT to pursue. And even if I made a choice, is that really what God wanted me to do? Not only that, I can't pursue them anyway, because of limitations in my life. I simply don't hav the resources, nor the means for obtaining the resources, to pursue something.
WHAT is holding you back from changing or going forward? The lack of resources. Is it your self-esteem? That too. As I said, I have a history of being restrained, held back, slowed down, pushed down, criticized, nitpicked, verbally smacked and emotionally kicked around by various people, including friends, employers, co-workers, and family members. Why on earth should I even try? It gets really old being pushed down all the time. Is it abuse in your past? What kind of abuse? Sexual? Er...not really. Depends on how you define sexual abuse. I was exposed to pornography at a young age. I was enticed into having sex when I was about 11 years old. Physical abuse? No. Psychological and emotional? Absolutely. Is there truly a sin that you are not willing to give completely over to the Lord? That's yet another Christianese catch-phrase. How exactly do you "give something over to the Lord"?
I DO believe in a God that is bigger than all of those things.
Rob, pardon me for stepping in. What you're doing here is presenting some big mystery that you don't want to tell us, then giving the impression that everyone is giving you the wrong answers or that their questions are phrased badly. Honestly, how is anyone supposed to answer? You have stated that the whole world abuses you, basically, for some unknown reason, then hint around at this mystery reason. It's something people might not approve of...no, not the whole world, just the Christian world...but you'd love to do it...but you don't have the resources...Is this meant to entice us? Sorry to sound snotty, but this all feels like a game to me.
I'm waiting for someone to ask, "Is it bigger than a bread basket?"
I mean honestly, you say you want help but then you play around with people. You put out this blanket "help me" in the middle of a general religious philosophy thread. I know you're in pain right now. But honestly, if I were one of the people who had reached out to you to try to help, and had gotten sniped at, I'd be sorry I even tried.
I have a vague feeling that you have some sort of social issues, which would be beyond the scope of anyone here to help you with, probably. Not just from what you said (NOBODY is basically entirely surrounded by people who abuse him or her...at least not after middle school...I'm sorry...but come on...what a statement) but from the way you responded. You're a bright person, and you have plenty of ideas. It would make NO sense that the whole entire world was out to get you, even friends and employers (employers???), unless you're unwittingly putting them off somehow. This just screams "social skills" to me. I think you should research the subject a little, do a little self-help-type reading, etc. because if you're really feeling this hopeless, it is WAY beyond the means of an internet forum to collectively help you out of that.
I've been depressed to, to a scary extent, and it takes a whole lot of research, even research into possible physical causes, to unravel. Start now! You have nothing to lose. Your whole life is before you. But...don't snipe at people who are trying to help you, and then get snide about how apparently far off the mark they are when all you're doing is saying over and over that everyone abuses you and that "something" secret is the problem. I feel a little annoyed, personally, to see someone set up a game like that..."Guess!"--and see people go running and then just get smacked down.
Now granted, everybody needs to moan and groan sometimes. There are definitely times when life gets us down. All of us. And we've probably all felt out of place among our peers at one time or another. What worries me about your posts is the way you seem to believe it's so many different people *currently* doing this to you. You're an adult and you steer your own ship. It may even be that, thinking this is what you deserve, you gravitate toward harsh people. I mean I really don't know....
It is possible that rather than the whole world abusing you, those around you might feel, from your general attitude, that you're abusing them. Think about that. You may need to change "you" before you see a change in those around you. I learned that one the hard way too, though it was a long long time ago, but just wanted to put that in...I've been there, and understand, but you're going about this in the wrong way. Stop looking at others as the *current* cause of your frustrations and start doing some soul-searching. It's worth it.
I've noticed we've got about half christians, half atheists here. So what exactly do you think the point in life is, and what do you think the individual should try to accomplish before they die?
I believe the point in life for us humans is to realize who we are, wonderful spirit creatures and deities (in body, mind, spirit) who are here for the sole purpose of creating. We do not realized our greatness so we think life is a string of dealing with what comes our way and doing the 'right thing' by societies standards. If we are closely in tune with our spiritual side we would know that we create our lives, we attract what comes to us whether its undesireble or not, and we are in control over what we want our mission, our mark to be in this world. Death, just in my belief is not an ending but a change. Energy never dies, it changes. I beleive that at the moment of death we will realize that we all had it wrong and that we are not just our body, but a spirit being that never dies. God is within each of us and his point of creating us is to experience life experientially. Knowing and experiencing are two different things. We are made in his image and created in his likeness. Christ knew this and demonstrated it. He was fully aware and self actualized. This is why we worship him, as if its not possible for us. Religions teach us seperation (that we are seperate from God- but he never left us) and we blame everyone else but ourselves from ruining society, depleting the earth'd resources and shortening our life span- ruining our own everlasting life. Seperation and superiority do not exist in the spiritual realm.
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