Why is Oaklands crime rate higher than most? (San Francisco, Fillmore: stores, moving)

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Senno

That's great Doc. Which neighborhoods do you find desirable to live in?

From personal experience Rockridge (way back in the late 80s, early 90s).

In the present? I wouldn't live in any of the hoods, even in the hills.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

From personal experience Rockridge (way back in the late 80s, early 90s).

In the present? I wouldn't live in any of the hoods, even in the hills.

Ironic since Oakland was actually more dangerous in the late 1980s-early 1990s than it is today.

#caught_up

#google_expert

[DocGoldstein]

Naw it's about the same amount of dangerous as it's always been. Nothing has changed.

[Senno]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

Naw it's about the same amount of dangerous as it's always been. Nothing has changed.

What has changed then Doc? Is it Doc that changed or Oakland in some way? Enquiring minds wanna know.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

Wow, so quick to respond! Good morning to you too!

So you preferred Rockridge back when Oakland was more dangerous than it is now.

That's interesting.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Senno

What has changed then Doc? Is it Doc that changed or Oakland in some way? Enquiring minds wanna know.

My neighborhood has been consistenly awesome not only during the late 80s-early 90s but is even better now..

Rockridge & Upper Rockridge, Oakland

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[DocGoldstein]

The ironic part is most of those homes were built in the 90s. I know, I saw when they were being framed and built.

[Senno]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

My neighborhood has been consistenly awesome not only during the late 80s-early 90s but is even better now..

Well, I was leaning towards the Doc end of things.

Nice looking place ya got there.

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

"Good for a laugh" is rarely boring. Psst! It ain't your thread.

That's right. We got the Fresno road show going on up here. I like to think of these threads as ours, of course.

[LunaticVillage]

Originally Posted by john3232

Sure it does.

It tells you Oakland has an out of control crime problem. A problem much worse than many other cities.

What it doesn't tell you is the city government is too dysfunctional to deal with a sub-culture in which the "thug life" is often glorified.

The difference between SF and Oakland is that SF's ghetto areas have experienced gentrification. My old neighborhood in southwest San Francisco was historically just as bad as the worst of Oakland. BUT, the poorer ghetto black residents of Lakeview, San Francisco have been steadily getting pushed out of San Francisco city limits slowly since the mid 90's. Today, recent Asian American immigrants represent majority status in what was once a black majority neighborhood from the 60's through the early 90's. Because of this, the high crime of the past decades in the area has dramatically decreased although it is still somewhat of an issue. The same thing is happening in Hunter's Point.

Decaying housing projects are demolished and moneyed Asian and white people buy up old Victorians that were once occupied by working class black folks. With a influx of moneyed lighter skinned folks moving into the neighborhood, police presence goes up and the quality of life dramatically increases as liquor stores are replaced with Whole Foods and organic markets. San Francisco has lower income black people cornered in the projects. When the time is right, those projects are torn down and the undesirable black ghetto element leaves The City entirely. Strict gang injunctions set almost entirely along racial lines also keep the relatively small criminally inclined ghetto population places in SF like Hunter's Point and Fillmore in check.

Oakland's high crime areas in the East and West are seeing much less gentrification comparatively. Most people from outside of the Bay Area are scared of Oakland because of what they've heard through the media. Much of deep East Oakland is still overwhelmingly black and lower middle class to lower income. This isn't changing anytime soon.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by LunaticVillage

... When the time is right, those projects are torn down and the undesirable black ghetto element leaves The City entirely.

Which would be fine except I'm sure SF gov't will do all they can to keep such an undesirable element from leaving.

Because bad news or not the City doesn't want to lose more of its' shrinking black population.