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And the officer-to-citizen ratio in NYC is at its lowest rate in decades. There were actually far more police in NYC relative to population back when crime was out of control decades ago.
The NYPD is down about 8,000 police from peak years.
Police to population ratio makes no difference in crime rates. Chicago has a higher officer/citizen ratio than NYC.
Incarceration rates skyrocketed from the mid 80s through the 2000s. Factor in stop and frisk, Shotspotter, Terrahawk surveillance towers, Compstat, weapons detecting body scanners, and increased police presence in housing projects.
NYC has lower levels of police shootings and police misconduct than basically any major American city. It would be the furthest possible thing from a "police state" in the U.S.
NY has one of the lowest murder rates these days. Police shootings in order from highest to lowest among the big 3 cities are exactly in order of high to low murder rates: Chi, LA, NY.
Shooting incidents are usually justified. Police shootings are not a good measure of being a "police state." How police treat innocent people is. In 2009 in Brooklyn, there were 93 stop and frisks per 100 citizens. That's not low. Here's some information about NYPD you probably aren't aware of. https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...n_police_state
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And your "stats" about murder rates are made up too.
The only stat I posted about murder rates was that NY's is still about 3x higher than Europe. I'm speaking on western Europe. London and NY are both 8.5 million. London had 100 homicides. NY 350. I don't know the stats for Paris, Berlin, etc. But I imagine they'd be similar to London. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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And you don't cut crime by becoming a "police state". In the 1970's NYC had 20x the number of police shootings as today, yet the murder rate was 7x higher. Chicago has far more police shootings than NYC yet has much higher crime.
Again, police shootings are usually justified in the US. Not a good measure of a police state.
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NY State has some of the lowest incarceration rates in the U.S., and one of the fastest declining prison populations, and generally has very progressive punishments, so that makes zero sense too. The prison population in NY State has been plummeting and they are even considering closing prisons and closing Rikers Island (NYC's jail).
Incarceration has dropped after NYC has cleaned up tremendously. Who'd have thought there'd be less people to arrest in NY in 2015 than in 1995?
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Ugly year developing for Jacksonville. What's happening down there?
Supposedly some gang thing but who knows, just the usual morons shooting each other for the most part in the N and NW sections of the city. Jacksonville crime rates are high as is, just imagine if it wasnt consolidated considering much of the crime happens inside original city boundaries (especially the murders). If the city wasn't consolidated its murder rate would be up their with Detroit no doubt.
Memphis has more homicides than Philly this so far is nearly L.A and NYC numbers.
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