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Old 08-21-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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Wait, so, Jamie is dead? In that particular scene?
Considering it is future yes in chronological time line he is dead at that point. Gabaldon does say she will explain later. My understanding from the books is that's the way he " travels" not physically like others can but he does visit the future because he "saw" things from future that Clair never told him about.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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Considering it is future yes in chronological time line he is dead at that point. Gabaldon does say she will explain later. My understanding from the books is that's the way he " travels" not physically like others can but he does visit the future because he "saw" things from future that Clair never told him about.
That is cool, but my brain is a little twisted. He was alive in that scene in the sense of his time, which she then travels to!
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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That is cool, but my brain is a little twisted. He was alive in that scene in the sense of his time, which she then travels to!
It's best not to think too hard about time travel. The paradoxes will definitely get to you. Just suspend disbelief and go with the flow!

At the time of that scene (the 1940s) Jamie is most definitely dead. That is his ghost (Diana has told us so). What we do not know is who dies first - Jamie or Claire? Will they die in a common misadventure? If Jamie dies first do all the time travelers go back to modern times? Jamie has said that if he is not there to protect her that Claire should go back.

Jamie can apparently dream about Brianna's family when they are in the future. No explanation from the author about that, though - yet.

We also know that you cannot travel back to a time in which you already exist. Accidentally doing that almost killed Roger.
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Old 08-22-2018, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Considering it is future yes in chronological time line he is dead at that point. Gabaldon does say she will explain later. My understanding from the books is that's the way he " travels" not physically like others can but he does visit the future because he "saw" things from future that Clair never told him about.
hmmmmm, interesting....even though last season was a tad slow, after the two of them met again, still my favorite show on TV...
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Old 08-22-2018, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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suzy_q2010 It's best not to think too hard about time travel. The paradoxes will definitely get to you. Just suspend disbelief and go with the flow!

At the time of that scene (the 1940s) Jamie is most definitely dead. That is his ghost (Diana has told us so). What we do not know is who dies first - Jamie or Claire? Will they die in a common misadventure? If Jamie dies first do all the time travelers go back to modern times? Jamie has said that if he is not there to protect her that Claire should go back.

Jamie can apparently dream about Brianna's family when they are in the future. No explanation from the author about that, though - yet.

We also know that you cannot travel back to a time in which you already exist. Accidentally doing that almost killed Roger.
Oh, so Brianna and Roger, travel thru the stones? Ahhhh hah....interesting....Does Diana speak of dimensions? Or are paradoxes the same as dimensions?

I'll have to look that up?
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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It's best not to think too hard about time travel. The paradoxes will definitely get to you. Just suspend disbelief and go with the flow!

At the time of that scene (the 1940s) Jamie is most definitely dead. That is his ghost (Diana has told us so). What we do not know is who dies first - Jamie or Claire? Will they die in a common misadventure? If Jamie dies first do all the time travelers go back to modern times? Jamie has said that if he is not there to protect her that Claire should go back.

Jamie can apparently dream about Brianna's family when they are in the future. No explanation from the author about that, though - yet.

We also know that you cannot travel back to a time in which you already exist. Accidentally doing that almost killed Roger.
If she dies with Jaime in 'the past' then she wouldn't be alive to be with Frank 'in the present' for Jaime's ghost to come see her!
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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If she dies with Jaime in 'the past' then she wouldn't be alive to be with Frank 'in the present' for Jaime's ghost to come see her!
If she had not been alive in the 1940s she could not have traveled back to the eighteenth century to meet Jamie.

See, this is why I said do not think about it too hard!

Remember that Geillis was alive in the 1960s but died in the eighteenth century.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:39 PM
 
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If she dies with Jaime in 'the past' then she wouldn't be alive to be with Frank 'in the present' for Jaime's ghost to come see her!
Incorrect. Claire didn't travel to the past until after Frank saw Jamie's ghost. She can die in the past or in the present and Frank will still have seen Jamie.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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If she had not been alive in the 1940s she could not have traveled back to the eighteenth century to meet Jamie.

See, this is why I said do not think about it too hard!

Remember that Geillis was alive in the 1960s but died in the eighteenth century.
Right, so she can't die with Jaime in the past is what I was saying. And Geillis did not die.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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Incorrect. Claire didn't travel to the past until after Frank saw Jamie's ghost. She can die in the past or in the present and Frank will still have seen Jamie.
Frank could still see Jaime, but not with Claire there if she dies in Jaime's time.
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