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Yeah right, 'other' nations don't have football supporters do they? I mean they are obviously far more evil than the Nazis or Stalin right? After all every nation on this earth is full of tree hugging hippies right? You wouldn't get evil b*****ds like the British in ISIS, I bet that kid that's just shot all those kids in school with a loaded assault rifle in Florida was British, if he wasn't it was surely the British to blame for his actions anyway.
Back of the net.
England has been breast-feeding these hangers-on throughout history.
Fact is the Scots didn't have the guts to vote for independence because they know their lifestyle is funded by the wealthier and more successful English part of the union.
The Irish are basically glorified pig-farmers who worked out there was money to be made by being a tax shelter for large multi-nationals.
Successive Irish governments have destroyed their own economy and Britain has picked up the debris - their unemployed - every time.
The current SNP government in Scotland is making an equally cack-handed job of ruining their economy.
No doubt we'll have to bail them out too.
You are full of BS and I've tried very hard to give you the benefit of a doubt but you are incorrigible. You are just a bigoted individual and I really see no benefit in discussing with a person that has no shame in showing their prejudices. You give Brits a bad name so good job in that regard.
You are showing the type of condescending and bigoted attitude that some British have towards the Irish.
An interesting article looking at who voted to remain and who voted to leave.
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Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU by a margin of 56% to 44%. John Garry (Queen’s University Belfast) explains that there is a strong division behind this outcome, different ethno-national groups voted very differently in the referendum. Yet, he observes, that with regard to the Brexit process there is a strong consensus on the need to avoid a hard north/south border.
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85% of Catholics voted Remain compared to only 40% of Protestants, and 88% of people who describe themselves as ‘nationalist’ voted Remain compared to only 34% of ‘unionists’. Similarly, 87% of respondents who identify as Irish voted Remain, compared to only 37% of British identifiers.
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For example, 80% of Northern Ireland citizens with a postgraduate qualification and 71% of those with a degree voted Remain, compared to less than half of those citizens with GCSE qualifications or less. People who attended a grammar school were also more likely to vote Remain than people who did not attend.
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What about public opinion since the referendum? Comparing the same voters at the time of the referendum and almost one year later, it emerges that 90% of those who voted Remain in 2016 say that they would do so again if there was a second referendum.
However, slightly fewer than three quarters of those who voted Leave indicate that they would do so again if another referendum were held. In a similar vein, ‘switchers’ from Leave to Remain are over twice as numerous (17%), as Remain-to-Leave switchers (7%).
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Both sides agree on the need to avoid the emergence of a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Less than a quarter of Leavers and only 11% of Remainers think that there should be a hard border, almost certainly reflecting shared and widespread worries about trade disruption and the potential for renewed political violence – in addition to the likely fear of unionists on the Leave side that the emergence of a hard border could initiate a debate on Irish unification.
So there is absolutely no hooliganism or racism amongst any nations football 'supporters' apart from the British right? And if there are then it is so obviously the fault of the British no doubt, after all everybody in this world are peace loving, tree loving hippies yeah? That seems to be the gist of what I'm reading. Just perhaps I am sick and tired of our Celtic 'cousins' blaming the British (usually mean the English) for everything, I am sick and tired of our European 'cousins' constantly taking the moral high ground so I for one welcome Brexit with open arms, I also hope and pray the Scots gain 'independence' so the age old story of blaming the English for everything can hopefully and finally be put to rest (though I won't hold my breath), its time people like yourself removed the (quite frankly) ridiculous chips from your shoulders and accepted that blaming the British (though usually that means the 'English') for all your woes and started taking responsibility for yourselves.
The problem is easthome that Britain controls Northern Ireland so because of that division the island of Ireland might have a hard border. Would you like something like that in England? It is not just a case of blame. Britain has the power to divide Ireland (again) and cause a lot of complications for that particular island. This is a fact. No point thinking poor Britain, everyone has it in for us, and not been able to look objectively at what a problem Brexit will cause to other populations that didn't want these complications. Sure Britain wanted to leave but because of their colonialism they have territories that still live with the consequences of that colonialism. Not sure why you can't see that instead of thinking you are being blamed for no reason.
It is not even really blame but just looking at what the outcome of this decision has in places like Ireland that will have a part of the island in the EU and a part out. The whole of Britain will be out of the EU so they don't have to try and work out how people are going to go about their daily lives when some people have jobs on one side of the border and live on the other.
The problem is easthome that Britain controls Northern Ireland so because of that division the island of Ireland might have a hard border. Would you like something like that in England? It is not just a case of blame. Britain has the power to divide Ireland (again) and cause a lot of complications for that particular island. This is a fact. No point thinking poor Britain, everyone has it in for us, and not been able to look objectively at what a problem Brexit will cause to other populations that didn't want these complications. Sure Britain wanted to leave but because of their colonialism they have territories that still live with the consequences of that colonialism. Not sure why you can't see that instead of thinking you are being blamed for no reason.
It is not even really blame but just looking at what the outcome of this decision has in places like Ireland that will have a part of the island in the EU and a part out. The whole of Britain will be out of the EU so they don't have to try and work out how people are going to go about their daily lives when some people have jobs on one side of the border and live on the other.
The British have every right to decide their own future and that includes the English!
The problem is easthome that Britain controls Northern Ireland so because of that division the island of Ireland might have a hard border. Would you like something like that in England? It is not just a case of blame. Britain has the power to divide Ireland (again) and cause a lot of complications for that particular island. This is a fact. No point thinking poor Britain, everyone has it in for us, and not been able to look objectively at what a problem Brexit will cause to other populations that didn't want these complications. Sure Britain wanted to leave but because of their colonialism they have territories that still live with the consequences of that colonialism. Not sure why you can't see that instead of thinking you are being blamed for no reason.
It is not even really blame but just looking at what the outcome of this decision has in places like Ireland that will have a part of the island in the EU and a part out. The whole of Britain will be out of the EU so they don't have to try and work out how people are going to go about their daily lives when some people have jobs on one side of the border and live on the other.
So Bernie....... you think we should put the Irish first? We voted out, because the EU wouldn't listen to our worries of unfettered immigration from the EU. We can see the results of this massive immigration of recent decades. Our roads are crowded, our NHS is under strain, our schools are struggling to cope. House prices and rents very high due to supply and demand.
What do you think we should have done? Voted to remain, and let this continue? 70 billion? 80 billion? Don't blame the English for trying to stop this disaster coming to pass. A solution to the Irish border problems will have to be found, I understand that. But not at the expense of the problems caused by us remaining in the EU.
The arrogance of EU officials, since we voted to leave, makes me not regret my decision.
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Isn't Britain supposed be "leaders" of Europe?
I believe that was the intention of joining in the first place; it's part of the Post-WW2 geopolitical strategy of US & UK.
Yet here you are moaning about someone else leading Europe ahead of you.
Man-up and take ownership of Britain's failure on the european project.
Like we need 'forgiving', makes me laugh the 'hatred' spewed towards the British and yet we are supposed to be the bad guys f. off, I've noticed before that the British get the blame for just about everything bad in human history and now we are to blame for American slavery too! I suppose the apartheid in the US southern states are the fault of the British too? Or the shool gun massacres occurring across the US, I'm sure you could blame the British somehow for that one too no?
My post was based on comparing how some Irish feel in the present day, vs. Americans having gotten over their negative feelings toward the British.
From a historical perspective yes, colonists endured a lot from the mother country as well as the benevolent task masters. Would you prefer modern day Americans to still hold a grudge about the past injustices
As to slavery in America, don't forget it was a British colony when slavery started. If Britain was not to blame for it starting over here, then whom would you assess that blame on?
Isn't Britain supposed be "leaders" of Europe?
I believe that was the intention of joining in the first place; it's part of the Post-WW2 geopolitical strategy of US & UK.
Yet here you are moaning about someone else leading Europe ahead of you.
Man-up and take ownership of Britain's failure on the european project.
Britain is certainly leading Europe militarily with the highest per capita payment into NATO of any EU country.
German is,as usual,lagging behind and anyway their military is a laughing stock.
All subs in dry-dock for repairs. Sometimes none of 14 A400M transport planes airworthy. Air force pilots unable to train because aircraft grounded for maintenance for much of the year.
German Tornados cannot fly at the moment, as there is too much biodiesel in the kerosene.
Brexit is really just a renegotiation of Britain's trading policy with the rest of Europe so I wouldn't go about worrying yourself too much whether Blighty is supposed to be a leader in Europe.
You are full of BS and I've tried very hard to give you the benefit of a doubt but you are incorrigible. You are just a bigoted individual and I really see no benefit in discussing with a person that has no shame in showing their prejudices. You give Brits a bad name so good job in that regard.
You are showing the type of condescending and bigoted attitude that some British have towards the Irish.
Sorry if the truth hurts,old sport,but sometimes a bit of plain-speaking is much better than trying to decipher meaningless Paddywackery ramblings from a Shiney Seamus.
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