National Harbor - News, Events, Updates, Questions and Developments Etc. (Baltimore: square footage, garages)

[UrbanScholar]

I wonder how successful their rentals will be. They have been successful with their townhomes, moderately successful with their condos so it will be interesting how they will fare in the rental market given that is what's hot right now.

Leasing is set to begin Saturday on the first rental units coming up at National Harbor.

The Esplanade, a Bozzuto project with 262 units ranging from studios to three-bedrooms, will encompass roughly 486,00 square feet, including garage parking and retail space.

Soon you can actually rent an apartment at National Harbor

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by UrbanScholar

I wonder how successful their rentals will be. They have been successful with their townhomes, moderately successful with their condos so it will be interesting how they will fare in the rental market given that is what's hot right now.



Soon you can actually rent an apartment at National Harbor

All indications are they will do quite well. The rental market is hot right now. Home ownership isn't. NH is a very walkable place. The one caveat is that there is no mass transit. But that hasn't really stopped renters. I imagine that they will be above 90% leased inside of a year.

[UrbanScholar]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

All indications are they will do quite well. The rental market is hot right now. Home ownership isn't. NH is a very walkable place. The one caveat is that there is no mass transit. But that hasn't really stopped renters. I imagine that they will be above 90% leased inside of a year.

That to me would be the sticking point. My thought is that the target demo that would be drawn to that location would want to have good access to mass transit. I am sure they will have shuttles but would that be enough?

[UrbanScholar]

The Walrus Oyster and Ale House is opening this week.

http://nationalharbor.com/restaurant...ter-ale-house/

[King_of_DC]

Originally Posted by UrbanScholar

That to me would be the sticking point. My thought is that the target demo that would be drawn to that location would want to have good access to mass transit. I am sure they will have shuttles but would that be enough?

They do have shuttles... they go right from Branch Ave metro. I think they go ever 30 min or dp... cost like $2.

So easy to see... go to trip planner on dc metro site and put in "national harbor" instead of a metro line and it will show you the times.

Not sure why people keep saying there is no transportation out there. Obviously there is not a metro, but there are a steady flow of buses.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by King_of_DC

They do have shuttles... they go right from Branch Ave metro. I think they go ever 30 min or dp... cost like $2.

So easy to see... go to trip planner on dc metro site and put in "national harbor" instead of a metro line and it will show you the times.

Not sure why people keep saying there is no transportation out there. Obviously there is not a metro, but there are a steady flow of buses.

Shuttles is not considered mass transit and doesn't address what could potential become a problem at some point.

The challenge that you have with buses is that despite the ability to get around, they will not adequately serve the type of population that is expected at National Harbor. Those buses aren't just going to serve an apartment complex, it's going to serve basically a whole community (condos, hotel guests, row houses, workers, etc.) so the space on those buses are going to become very limited. If buses came more frequently then it would be helpful, but 30 minutes between stops is going to yield a lot of people and eventually become too much for a bus service. If you compare that to the capacity and the frequency of a metro train, there is no comparison. The bus solution is adequate for now, but in the long term, they definitely will need mass transit to support the growth that is expected there.

[UrbanScholar]

Originally Posted by justtitans

Shuttles is not considered mass transit and doesn't address what could potential become a problem at some point.

The challenge that you have with buses is that despite the ability to get around, they will not adequately serve the type of population that is expected at National Harbor. Those buses aren't just going to serve an apartment complex, it's going to serve basically a whole community (condos, hotel guests, row houses, workers, etc.) so the space on those buses are going to become very limited. If buses came more frequently then it would be helpful, but 30 minutes between stops is going to yield a lot of people and eventually become too much for a bus service. If you compare that to the capacity and the frequency of a metro train, there is no comparison. The bus solution is adequate for now, but in the long term, they definitely will need mass transit to support the growth that is expected there.

It may not be ideal but the fact that they have them is something. Most people don't even know that that is an option. I do agree that, in the short time, that additional bus service is needed. I think that you will see an increase in the number of buses and routes servicing the National Harbor by the time MGM opens. If they would smart they would do as you suggested earlier for 210 and create a few dedicated BRT lanes to support that further.

[King_of_DC]

Originally Posted by justtitans

Shuttles is not considered mass transit and doesn't address what could potential become a problem at some point.

The challenge that you have with buses is that despite the ability to get around, they will not adequately serve the type of population that is expected at National Harbor. Those buses aren't just going to serve an apartment complex, it's going to serve basically a whole community (condos, hotel guests, row houses, workers, etc.) so the space on those buses are going to become very limited. If buses came more frequently then it would be helpful, but 30 minutes between stops is going to yield a lot of people and eventually become too much for a bus service. If you compare that to the capacity and the frequency of a metro train, there is no comparison. The bus solution is adequate for now, but in the long term, they definitely will need mass transit to support the growth that is expected there.

No, they won't help the population expected, but they work just fine now... which is the point... people are saying NH has no mass transit, which is simply not true.

But since we all seem to agree that NH has adequate mass transit for now, it is not a reach to think they have a plan in place for the future. Considering how PG is behind NH, I'd put money on the fact that they have a plan in place.

Personally, I'm not sure I'd consider the bus an option during the winter months... the bus stops are outside at Branch ave metro and who knows if a bus will run on time.

But I don't see more options for mass transit to NH anytime soon (ie no metro stop).

[Sampg1]

What do you think of having a BikeShare Station at national harbor
and S Washington street/GW Pkwy to link old town with NH, and may be one more at Tanger Outlet to make easy/short/fun trip between old Town Alexandria and NH.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by Sampg1

What do you think of having a BikeShare Station at national harbor
and S Washington street/GW Pkwy to link old town with NH, and may be one more at Tanger Outlet to make easy/short/fun trip between old Town Alexandria and NH.

Sure. As long as they have adequate bike lanes and bike safety measures, I don't see a problem with bikes at NH.