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Question. I am on the Council webcast page waiting for the district council meeting to begin broadcasting. It was supposed to start at 10 am and still nothing after 30 minutes. Are they usually this late in starting a meeting? If so that is ridiculous. Can you imagine starting/coming to a meeting 30 minutes late on your job with no explanation?! smh...
Council approved 8 to 1 for MGM to move forward. Lehman was the council member that was against it. Her issue was related to the county depending on gaming to supplement its revenues. There was also a labored discussion on transportation issues for south county. Patterson stated that although he continues to have concerns, he has met with the county and the state and there is a plan being formulated to address transportation and he or his staff will be a part of that working group. He also stated that the county has assured him that 210 will continue to be a priority for the county.
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Council approved 8 to 1 for MGM to move forward. Lehman was the council member that was against it. Her issue was related to the county depending on gaming to supplement its revenues. There was also a labored discussion on transportation issues for south county. Patterson stated that although he continues to have concerns, he has met with the county and the state and there is a plan being formulated to address transportation and he or his staff will be a part of that working group. He also stated that the county has assured him that 210 will continue to be a priority for the county.
I don't share Council Member Patterson's optimism. At this rate, the casino may be finish before the first phase to do 210 is even started on. Adding more traffic to that area in the midst of starting such a big project would be a concern. Certainly it's great to have a plan but the reality is, the state has put 210 on the back burner for so long that prospects of the work coming to fruition is going to create a nightmare situation for local residents. Anyone coming south up to MGM have quite a hike until Kerby Hill project is done. From what they have their page right now, the earliest is may even start is 2016/2017.
I don't share Council Member Patterson's optimism. At this rate, the casino may be finish before the first phase to do 210 is even started on. Adding more traffic to that area in the midst of starting such a big project would be a concern. Certainly it's great to have a plan but the reality is, the state has put 210 on the back burner for so long that prospects of the work coming to fruition is going to create a nightmare situation for local residents. Anyone coming south up to MGM have quite a hike until Kerby Hill project is done. From what they have their page right now, the earliest is may even start is 2016/2017.
He didn't sound enthusiastic about the state of transportation in the area or the plan that is being worked on. It was more that he was reporting what he was told based on the concerns that he had. Although I agree that traffic is bad and has been that way since I moved there in 2003, that shouldn't stop projects like this that add jobs and amenities the the area. It should, however, stop the development of new subdivisions that, IMO add more consistent traffic than anything going on at NH. For whatever reason the county continues to approve these types of projects even though the county has a surplus.
In regards to not moving forward on a project until transportation is addressed, it's a double edge sword. Traffic is a beast and needs to be improved, however, any solution would take years (if not decades) to complete given the pace of government. Should we not try to build our commercial tax base while we wait for transportation to catch up? Would there be an interest(by the state and other outside stakeholders) in addressing area traffic concerns quickly, if the area remains residential (with no real benefit tax-wise to the county or state).
I understand Patterson's position and agree that traffic needs to be addressed. But addressing the traffic going to NH is not going to solve the traffic of that entire area. IMO the only thing that is going to entice the state to bump up the priority of transportation projects in that area (above ones in other parts of the state) would be if not doing so would impact the revenues that it would receive in taxes.
Just a thought. If financing a project is a concern, one solution to pay for it would be to institute a toll system similar to NOVA that would tax those using 210 and 301 as a pass-through to get to Charles County. I know that there would be opposition to this but at least it would pay for the construction and maintenance related to these roads.
He didn't sound enthusiastic about the state of transportation in the area or the plan that is being worked on. It was more that he was reporting what he was told based on the concerns that he had. Although I agree that traffic is bad and has been that way since I moved there in 2003, that shouldn't stop projects like this that add jobs and amenities the the area. It should, however, stop the development of new subdivisions that, IMO add more consistent traffic than anything going on at NH. For whatever reason the county continues to approve these types of projects even though the county has a surplus.
In regards to not moving forward on a project until transportation is addressed, it's a double edge sword. Traffic is a beast and needs to be improved, however, any solution would take years (if not decades) to complete given the pace of government. Should we not try to build our commercial tax base while we wait for transportation to catch up? Would there be an interest(by the state and other outside stakeholders) in addressing area traffic concerns quickly, if the area remains residential (with no real benefit tax-wise to the county or state).
I understand Patterson's position and agree that traffic needs to be addressed. But addressing the traffic going to NH is not going to solve the traffic of that entire area. IMO the only thing that is going to entice the state to bump up the priority of transportation projects in that area (above ones in other parts of the state) would be if not doing so would impact the revenues that it would receive in taxes.
Just a thought. If financing a project is a concern, one solution to pay for it would be to institute a toll system similar to NOVA that would tax those using 210 and 301 as a pass-through to get to Charles County. I know that there would be opposition to this but at least it would pay for the construction and maintenance related to these roads.
Yeah I can understand him feeling that way. Much of what is happening is out of his hands.
I have had the opportunity to have a little direct knowledge on the 210 project and they have had a little bit of turnover on the project team but of course funding has definitely been the primary issue. The delays are definitely the blame for the bad timing.
I do agree that it's a double edge sword, but it will still hurt residents with the direction they are going. I feel sorry for anyone living down there. I mean the traffic is awful on 210 and I just can't imagine adding a casino along with road construction being much better. And we're not talking about just any construction, we're talking about an overpass being added to the highway. I'm not sure how long they plan on working on that project, but you also have to consider that this is just the first phase. They still will need to get money and funding for the other intersections along 210 which will also have overpasses. Hopefully the money will be available so that they can expedite this project more but realistically it could be a couple of decades of construction on 210 if they still decide to make it an expressway all the way down to Accokeek.
And I agree with you with the subdivision issue. With the amount of new homes they are building, they are making it harder to clean off the excess of short sale and foreclosed homes. That should be the bigger priority.
Yeah I can understand him feeling that way. Much of what is happening is out of his hands.
I have had the opportunity to have a little direct knowledge on the 210 project and they have had a little bit of turnover on the project team but of course funding has definitely been the primary issue. The delays are definitely the blame for the bad timing.
I do agree that it's a double edge sword, but it will still hurt residents with the direction they are going. I feel sorry for anyone living down there. I mean the traffic is awful on 210 and I just can't imagine adding a casino along with road construction being much better. And we're not talking about just any construction, we're talking about an overpass being added to the highway. I'm not sure how long they plan on working on that project, but you also have to consider that this is just the first phase. They still will need to get money and funding for the other intersections along 210 which will also have overpasses. Hopefully the money will be available so that they can expedite this project more but realistically it could be a couple of decades of construction on 210 if they still decide to make it an expressway all the way down to Accokeek.
And I agree with you with the subdivision issue. With the amount of new homes they are building, they are making it harder to clean off the excess of short sale and foreclosed homes. That should be the bigger priority.
Yeah construction is going to be a bear for a while and it will essentially be the PGC equivalent to 66. The irony behind it all is, by the time they are finished with the roads, and alternate forms of transportation, They will need to update them to accommodate the population at that time. As for the immediate impact by MGM, I recall them suggesting that they were going to use a trolley system at the harbor and a shuttle bus from one or two metros. Any major plans (like a metro station) would take at least 15 years to implement. Especially if the plan is to connect to one of NOVA's stations.
I agree that getting rid of the housing surplus and maybe having a moratorium on residential building of new construction should definitely be their priority. Even with projects previously approved but have not broke ground.
Council approved 8 to 1 for MGM to move forward. Lehman was the council member that was against it. Her issue was related to the county depending on gaming to supplement its revenues. There was also a labored discussion on transportation issues for south county. Patterson stated that although he continues to have concerns, he has met with the county and the state and there is a plan being formulated to address transportation and he or his staff will be a part of that working group. He also stated that the county has assured him that 210 will continue to be a priority for the county.
Either way it goes, this is great news... now people might shut up about "fine dining"....
PG is moving in a very positive direction.... very happy for the residents.
The casino already has begun negotiating with potential restaurants, including chef Marcus Saumelsson's Harlem restaurant Red Rooster, known for its American comfort food, Creighton said.
I hope that they snag his restaurant. He is a great chef and would be new to the area.... that uniqueness would further enhance the offerings that the resort will have.
Home Depot and the mall have opened, the casino has gotten a permit. What's next? Are there any other development plans for the area? I want to buy a house there, but the residents seem to resist to change, so I'm worried the development won't go beyond the national harbor area.
Home Depot and the mall have opened, the casino has gotten a permit. What's next? Are there any other development plans for the area? I want to buy a house there, but the residents seem to resist to change, so I'm worried the development won't go beyond the national harbor area.
There is nothing concrete but as the Harbor builds out there will probably be development that extends past the immediate Harbor area. Right now you will see a new Wal-Mart diagonally across from Rivertowne and Livingston Square, along with Giant, in Fort Washington is in the process of remodeling. There will also be a new hotel anchored by Tanger, an 12,000 sq ft expansion of Tanger, and more restaurants and retail on the lots surrounding MGM over the next few years. That Oxon Hill-Fort Washington Corridor has become really popular lately from groups that traditionally don't buy in PGC so I wouldn't be surprised if development expands to "downtown" Oxon Hill at some point. In general, the type of development will depend on consumer demands.
There is also the question of the Parx property and Rosecroft who lost to MGM. I could see them building some type of entertainment area or making significant improvements (in the case of Rosecroft) to capitalize on the draw of MGM.
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What other developments are coming?
