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You're probably right ....I'm amazed how many people don't ....but they should...
Winnipeg....you shouldn't fool around ...a winter parka with a hood is best ....
though...maybe not today...today is one of those rare winter days when
Winnipeg is about the same temp as Toronto...both with highs around 0c
Correction...I just checked ...Winnipeg is currently warmer at -1c
Toronto Pearson -2c
I'll leave this to Emman85 for when he comes back since he knows 1000000x more about palms than me, but how do you know it isn't just because there aren't any planted even though there could be? Where the hotels/motels/etc are in Memphis is probably low end 8b or at least high end 8a, and in Dallas probably between 9a-9b or at least 8b/9a, from what he has said in other threads these seem fairly suitable.
That specific combination of palms looks like southern California.
The only large-ish palms I've seen in Memphis is windmill palms, some are growing palmettos but they are not large.
Dallas does have some large palmettos, it doesn't have washingtonias that large and queen palms would greatly struggle.
But this could easily be a scene from Florida(pics from Dallas).
You interpreted it correctly ...I didn't write it as clearly as I could have ...
Toronto and Phildelphia are NOT in the same climate zone but
january temps are closer between Toronto and Philadelphia than
between Philadelphia and Orlando ...and yet Philadelphia and Orlando
are in the same climate zone as per Koppen....
With average january highs in the low 70s ....Orlando is a much different
climate than Philadelphis...average january highs in the low 40s ....
thats about a 30 degree difference... the difference between wearing a T-shirt
having fun in the sun vacationing in Orlando as compared to wearing a winter
jacket on a typical Philadelphia january day....
Toronto is colder than Philadelphia ...
Toronto average january high is about 29F at the airport to maybe 30-31F downtown...
about 10 to 12F colder than Philadelphia..,but not a 30 degree difference like Orlando is as compared to Philadelphia
30 degrees colder than Philadelphia would be Winnipeg.
Average january day....
Orlando...T-shirt
Savannah...sweater
Philadelphia...winter jacket
Toronto ...winter jacket and gloves
Winnipeg...winter parka..mitts and hat/hood
You're right about Orlando, as well as Toronto and Winnipeg, but Savannah definitely does not have sweater weather on the average January day, the highs at even the cold hole airport are 16.3 Celsius. Easily T-shirt weather like Orlando, it doesn't turn to sweater weather until the evening through morning when it gets down to 4.4-9 Celsius (less cold for the extreme low in downtown).
Conversely, Philadelphia's weather would be sweater weather instead of a winter jacket, it may be cool but it's not cold, at all. A winter jacket is overkill.
Speaking from experience this November and December experiencing temperatures akin to average January days at both. I especially liked the Savannah-like weather as a last shot of mild weather.
As for the rest, it comes down to the root causes like I said.
You're right about Orlando, as well as Toronto and Winnipeg, but Savannah definitely does not have sweater weather on the average January day, the highs at even the cold hole airport are 16.3 Celsius. Easily T-shirt weather like Orlando, it doesn't turn to sweater weather until the evening through morning when it gets down to 4.4-9 Celsius (less cold for the extreme low in downtown).
Conversely, Philadelphia's weather would be sweater weather instead of a winter jacket, it may be cool but it's not cold, at all. A winter jacket is overkill.
Speaking from experience this November and December experiencing temperatures akin to average January days at both. I especially liked the Savannah-like weather as a last shot of mild weather.
As for the rest, it comes down to the root causes like I said.
Savannah's 4/16 average is long sleeves or sweatshirt weather to me depending on the time of day. Realistically it seems to jump around between jacket weather and t shirt weather . Sometimes within the same day. 2018 is a good example for that
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Philadelphia, going by averages -2/5 I would be throwing on a jacket for days like that. If it gets hot can always unzip it. Toronto's -7/-1 puts it closer to Philly than Philly is to Savanah, especially those daytime highs. Toronto and Phlly averages don't seem that different to me. The -7 to -2 just means I might throw some gloves on in the morning to drive but the jacket style probably the same between -1 and 5 (assuming no snow in Toronto)
Thanks, I'll have a read when I get back from work.
Those Dallas palm photos tend to indicate that it's difficult for those species to reach their full potential there.
The Dallas Aquarium plants tropical palms as annuals every year (like the coconut pictured).
CIDP grows for a while in Dallas until a megafreeze kills some of them. There are a few survivors following a major freeze in 2021 (coldest since 1989).
There are no queen palms in Dallas, other than annuals and heavily protected small ones with an expiration date.
Even the majority of sabal palms died in Dallas in 2021. Most survivors (but not all) had some degree of protection from buildings. Sabal and to a lesser extent, Washingtonia filifera (California fan palm), are the only truly "hardy" arborescent palms in Dallas and can still be killed by a highly anomalous freeze.
Palms form a very minor part of the landscape in Dallas, you almost won't see them without actively searching. Nothing like Houston or San Antonio or even further south.
1) Those palms are growing in autumn in that picture. Why can't you admit you're wrong? You're now asserting that you're an expert on the differences between the palm growing potential of Pennsylvania and Ontario, two regions you're not familiar with? Do you know the differences between the two in climate and environment? Why does Pennsylvania show potential for hardy palm trees and Ontario doesn't?
They look more like Washingtonia than Sabal, but I might be wrong.
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2) The palm is not "very small", and sabals hardly grow at all in New Zealand.
It's a Phoenix - sabals are a fan palm.
Sabals are new in NZ and I'd never seen one here until recently, but they make steady growth if they get enough water.
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Your posts are utterly inconsistent. Huh?
What else would you call species that put on growth spurts during winter, and can flower at any time of the year?
The Dallas Aquarium plants tropical palms as annuals every year (like the coconut pictured).
CIDP grows for a while in Dallas until a megafreeze kills some of them. There are a few survivors following a major freeze in 2021 (coldest since 1989).
There are no queen palms in Dallas, other than annuals and heavily protected small ones with an expiration date.
Even the majority of sabal palms died in Dallas in 2021. Most survivors (but not all) had some degree of protection from buildings. Sabal and to a lesser extent, Washingtonia filifera (California fan palm), are the only truly "hardy" arborescent palms in Dallas and can still be killed by a highly anomalous freeze.
Palms form a very minor part of the landscape in Dallas, you almost won't see them without actively searching. Nothing like Houston or San Antonio or even further south.
Yep, just as I thought - a great climate for many palms, 99% of the time.
The idea of climates that I regard as very warm, but with with few palms etc, form a distinct climate type that I've had in my own informal classification, for almost as long as I've been interested in climate.
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