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Old 06-20-2016, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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There is also st. Petersburg which has one of the longest warm season and not a terribly cold winter either 60N. It's got 3 months of avg highs > 20C and 5 months avg highs > 15C and 5 months of record highs > 30C
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sain...rsburg#Climate
Yes, but a record low of -36C.
Anyway, st. Petersburg surely has a climate with a summer that can grow a lot of crops.

Several other cities and towns at 60°N have three months with avg high above 20°C, but I should think few have 5 months with record high above 30°C.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Not only people, but why is there any wildlife either?
I saw a documentary once in which some greenery was able to grow for about a month or so in the summer near the arctic circle, and birds and bugs and a few small mammals came out from wherever they spent the rest of the time, to gain nourishment for the rest of the year.
I'm thinking to myself, why on earth didn't the ancestors of these animals just start walking/flying south until they got somewhere less desolate? Beats me.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Not only people, but why is there any wildlife either?
I saw a documentary once in which some greenery was able to grow for about a month or so in the summer near the arctic circle, and birds and bugs and a few small mammals came out from wherever they spent the rest of the time, to gain nourishment for the rest of the year.
I'm thinking to myself, why on earth didn't the ancestors of these animals just start walking/flying south until they got somewhere less desolate? Beats me.
Less biodiversity - less competition. For example wolves or bears living in the far north have adapted to the climate. They know how to deal with the climate and thrive there. A polar bear going down to Toronto would be wiped out quickly in the alien environment. Actually the polar bear's preferred habitat is the ice sheet, it wants to be there.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Permafrost is very limiting. Russia has more oil by far than Saudi Arabia but it's in the arctic, hence difficult to develop adequate infrastructure to obtain it. Yakutsk is not all permafrost. Cold winters, yes, but permafrost is not everywhere there. Not where those buildings are - you can be sure of that.
Actually yakutsk is the largest city built entirely on permafrost, all house have cement stilts on the.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Actually yakutsk is the largest city built entirely on permafrost, all house have cement stilts on the.
And it's 250 to 500 metres deep.


Permafrost is a good point, Scandinavia and European Russia are the only larger areas above the 60 parallel that doesn't have permafrost.

Somehow the whole discussion is quite bizarre to me. I'm sitting under oaks eating fresh domestic strawberries when globally parts of this latitude is above the tree line and with permafrost.

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Old 06-20-2016, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Permafrost is very limiting. Russia has more oil by far than Saudi Arabia but it's in the arctic, hence difficult to develop adequate infrastructure to obtain it. Yakutsk is not all permafrost. Cold winters, yes, but permafrost is not everywhere there. Not where those buildings are - you can be sure of that.
IDK if you know but Yakutsk isn't an oil city, the Siberian oil cities are in the west near the Urals, and in fact the majority of oil is produced out side of Siberia. But any way Russians have a technique of building their buildings on very deep pylons that are pounded into the ground. And also what about Yellowknife?

https://www.google.com/maps/@62.4535...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@62.4552...7i13312!8i6656

And also you just disproven yourself of why cities north of 60N are not built because of permafrost, because if the coldest major city in the world doesn't have permafrost than most places north of 60N don't either. which there are many that don't such as Murmansk the largest city inside the arctic circle.

https://www.google.com/maps/@68.9677...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@68.9777...7i13312!8i6656

Or St. Petersburg the largest city at 60N (4th largest in Europe)

https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9343...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9339...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.0081...7i13312!8i6656

but here is the map showing where there is and isn't permafrost.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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And it's 250 to 500 metres deep.


Permafrost is a good point, Scandinavia and European Russia are the only larger areas above the 60 parallel that doesn't have permafrost.

Somehow the whole discussion is quite bizarre to me. I'm sitting under oaks eating fresh domestic strawberries when globally parts of this latitude is above the tree line and with permafrost.
LOL, you are an exception! Sounds like a pleasant day though!
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:43 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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Lerwick looks grim!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@60.15...8i6656!6m1!1e1

The far north of the Shetland's is bad.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@60.81...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Lerwick doesn't look so bad when it's sunny though.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@60.15...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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For comparison, if anyone is interested, here is the Norwegian outer seabord near Bergen (Øygarden) on a summers day.

Bergen itself is sheltered by coastal mountains surrounding the city, so is very lush, with summer days sometimes exceeding 30°C / 87°F.
But Øygarden is west of those mountains, facing the North Sea, but with some low islands and skerries. 60°37' N
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98ygarden

Credit: Sotra og Øygarden - Fotoarkivet Jon Fjeldstad
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