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Old 07-28-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: USA
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It's the same ol story. You get what you pay for. Americans for years wanted low taxes for the middle class, and they were not willing to pay each other livable wages. Well, you get what you pay for. The roads are in terrible shape, the school system sucks, the bridges are crumbling, the houses built in the past 10-15 years are pieces of crap that shouldn't even pass inspection... We are willing to pay CEOs 10X as much as everywhere else for delivering 10X less, unless you are a shareholder. Today we have a very hollow country, driven by a very hollow economy, occupied by very hollow people. It's no wonder we are the most medicated, obese and materialistic society the world has ever seen. It's also no wonder forefingers come here and kick our butts doing the jobs we deem below us, while we collect unemployment checks.
Yep, that about sums it up. The "tree of liberty" in this nation is a rotten, crumbling, hollow corpse.

We could fix this, if folks were willing to pay what it took to ensure we all had a living wage. That would result in more jobs, retraining into what's in demand, and so on. It would also push out illegals who are only here because companies can pay them dirt wages because nobody wants to pay a living wage if it cuts into their own pocket.

In the long run, divided we fall, everyone guarding their own pocketbook until the bitter end, even as the jobs vanish and the currency becomes increasingly worthless.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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House Cleaning Position - Experienced only need apply

Experienced ONLY, read the job....and logic rules out
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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House Cleaning Position - Experienced only need apply

Experienced ONLY, read the job....and logic rules out
Than don't apply for the job! There will always be employers demanding experience, and this is not a new phenomena. Because you see it as a job beneath you and your social status does not change that, or make it an unusual circumstance. When the employers can't find the experienced workers they want, they train more. Same as it always was. It does not mean life is unfair.
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Employment is slavery.
Wrong. It is barter.
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:21 PM
 
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i never finished any college ( i only have HS diploma ) and landed a 45k/yr job. i got lucky i guess! especially in this economy! but everyday i go to work and pray that they dont do lay offs(which they do frequently)
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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i never finished any college ( i only have HS diploma ) and landed a 45k/yr job. i got lucky i guess! especially in this economy! but everyday i go to work and pray that they dont do lay offs(which they do frequently)
How long have you been in the work force?

In other words, how much experience do you have?

If you have, say, 5 years of experience under your belt already, you'll be less likely to have a problem finding work and making a good living than, say, a college graduate with little/no experience.
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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How long have you been in the work force?

In other words, how much experience do you have?

If you have, say, 5 years of experience under your belt already, you'll be less likely to have a problem finding work and making a good living than, say, a college graduate with little/no experience.
Wrong. My friend got a $13/hr job as a CNC laser tech at a fabrication shop about a year ago. It took some convincing to get him to actually give an actual trade a try, with his HS diploma and no college degree to offer to the world and all... He makes $15/hr today. The only threat for him is this economy is a piece of crap that has been ruined by the United States of Goldman Sachs and a lot of impressionable folks willing to ride the "prosperity train" down the toilet to the sewer pipes.

Work is work, the same as it always was. You can either follow a string of directions, or you're basically worthless to the demands of the free market private sector enterprise.
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:21 PM
 
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What trades really even exist in america? And when I say that I know they are out there, but what are they? Aside from the obvious. Electrician, plumber, carpenter. I mean where you're working in a plant making things, less fixing things.
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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How long have you been in the work force?

In other words, how much experience do you have?

If you have, say, 5 years of experience under your belt already, you'll be less likely to have a problem finding work and making a good living than, say, a college graduate with little/no experience.

i went to a training school for IT. 6 month in class, 6 month internship. so ONE year total. then i got hired by the same company i had internship in. but otherwise they said they wouldnt even look at my resume...

i had 0 experience
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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What trades really even exist in america? And when I say that I know they are out there, but what are they? Aside from the obvious. Electrician, plumber, carpenter. I mean where you're working in a plant making things, less fixing things.
Haha, go talk to all the carpenters and ask how they feel about their career... Not making fun, as work is work, but it's a pretty easy trade, which is why all the illegals are taking their work.

I work as a machinist. Not in a plant, as plant workers make garbage and do basically blue collar burger flipping thanks to automated technology. I do short run production, fixture making, and prototype work. As a trade, if you can do the work, there are ALWAYS places you can go. The problem is, most Americans do not think 45K or so is worth the kind of work I do. If they saw what I do for a living, the number crunching and level of perfection I am expected to achieve, they would demand and expect 80K at least. The free market is largely rejecting their demands, but we'll see... I think I will keep my day job in the mean time.

There are also plenty of repair work machine shops, no matter what your HS counselors tell you. In fact, in my area, we do a lot of repair work. We had a guy bring in a couple extruder pistons last week. His shop can't run without them. We fixed them just before lunch. Our shop made money, and he could get his extruder lines working again. That is how the free market operates
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