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We are in the middle of what will be a long term change. Less and less pay and benefits more education for the the jobs out there. It will be a major paradigm shift for everyone. At the end of this road most jobs will not pay a living wage. The reason the government keeps adding unemployment and food stamps is simple. They know the jobs are not there and are not coming back. They just do not want social unrest. If they would have run with 26 weeks for everyone in the end of 2007. Lots of people would have lost hope. People without hope can be dangerous. So give them a little check feed them. But make sure they stay busy apply for jobs go to school retrain for jobs that are not there but keep them busy.
[quote=andywire;23875402]I believe you are seeing the worst case scenerio. The downside is there, but things change. You often talk about all these machines taking over jobs that used to be done by people. Well, you always need people to service the machines, maybe that would be a good career to pursue. How about the guy installing the machines?
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Maintenance and installation requires far less manpower than is made obsolete by the machine itself.
Say a dozen people currently do a job manually. That one machine just replaced them, and takes, what, 1 guy to maintain it, who may be maintaining several others just like it simutaneously. It takes, what, a team a couple weeks to a couple months to install it, and thats it.
12 people out of work, replaced by 1 maintenance guy, and installation work for a few installation guys for a few months.
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The possibilities are there, but most employers will complain about the lack of young people who actually want to put in a good day's work. If you can do better, there are always folks out there in need of reliable folks.
Reliable folks willing to work for less than a living wage.
then how are the inexperienced people going to get hired at places like Grocery Stores, Fast Food-Places such as McDonald's, Retailers such as Target, Walmart, Entry-Level, Customer Service jobs like that
They dont.
In 15-30 years, being a cashier at Walmart will require a bachelors degree in Accounting.
High School graduates will have an unemployment rate way over 50%.
At my company there are guys in the shipping/recieving dept making around $45k a year and all they do is complain about everything! I tell them all the time to be grateful you even have a job. There are college grads out there with 10's of thousands in student loan debt who would walk over hot coal barefoot to have your job right now.
At my company there are guys in the shipping/recieving dept making around $45k a year and all they do is complain about everything! I tell them all the time to be grateful you even have a job. There are college grads out there with 10's of thousands in student loan debt who would walk over hot coal barefoot to have your job right now.
Ah, but those college graduations don't have 2 to 5 years experience in shipping - or any other narrowly specific skillset - so the current people's jobs are safe?!
Ah, but those college graduations don't have 2 to 5 years experience in shipping - or any other narrowly specific skillset - so the current people's jobs are safe?!
Its actually an entry level job that requires little to no experience. These guys all started about 10+ years ago and stood put while aquiring yearly raises. They actually have it pretty good. Of an 8hr workday, I see them work maybe 2hrs tops! The rest of the day they sit at their desks browsing the net. I have a friend graduate college with his BA in criminal justice and cant even get an internship let alone get hired.
Hopefully in 15 to 30 years the job of a cashier will be eliminated and the amount of students graduating from college will be less.
The job of cashier will be one of the last to go. Self check out lines have already been found to be a flop, and have been pulled out or scaled back at almost every place that tried them. Turns out, its pretty hard to replace customer service with a robot.
I dont know how you would propose to scale back the number of college grads, but even the prospect of having roughly a 50% chance of being unemployed, and massive student debt hasnt been enough to disuade people from going.
My guess is that in 15-30 years, there will be more college grads and the overwhelming majority of jobs will be low level customer service and sales.
The job of cashier will be one of the last to go. Self check out lines have already been found to be a flop, and have been pulled out or scaled back at almost every place that tried them. Turns out, its pretty hard to replace customer service with a robot.
There is no customer service in the cashier person at many establishments anymore. Self check out lines have failed because they were broken. Not because they (or automatic checkout) is a bad idea. Whole Foods is currently doing UX research in the the area of automatic checkout. It will be interesting to read their results.
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I dont know how you would propose to scale back the number of college grads, but even the prospect of having roughly a 50% chance of being unemployed, and massive student debt hasnt been enough to disuade people from going.
My guess is that in 15-30 years, there will be more college grads and the overwhelming majority of jobs will be low level customer service and sales.
Get rid of college loans and grants that are easy to attain without stellar merit. We're letting people into college that shouldn't be able to go.
In the event that there are more college grads as you suggest, then the current path of high school grads not being able to find jobs makes sense. Just like how it was extremely difficult to be successful without a high school education or GED in the past.
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