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I'm not a union defender, but one can easily find examples of people within every segment of the labor market who are "misbehaving." I mean, do you really want to start w/ senior executives.
True, but I don't like the bully aspect of what I've seen from unions. Others who misbehave just do it on their own. Unions institutionalize the bullying.
At least companies can fire some of the bad apples. Try firing a bad teacher or transit worker.
I don't like working with disgusting people and I would be ashamed to be a union member if the union would protect these people...just because they're in the union...and union people can't be touched. How is that helping the fellow worker?
I've seen some bad non-union workers but I have never seen someone openly, intentionally not do their work because of union protection.
Yes, I think people get it, but there is often nothing the average person can do aside from finding other employment.
I work at a company with nearly half a billion in revenue, several hundred employees globally, privately held by the founder/CEO and my 90 or so person division is being run into the ground. New clients keep coming in, and the division hasn't staffed up or scaled up technically to handle the volume. People are coming and going left and right, being burnt out, and the only person it has benefitted (according to our department senior management) is the founder. One person is lining his pockets while the personnel suffer.
Nothing we can other than find other employment and operate the best we can within what is dictated to us.
Working for The Man sucks ass. You are a disposable commodity and you will be fired as soon as your performance drops in the slightest, or until they find someone younger or cheaper to do your job. It is soul sucking, sad and depressing but there it is.
Your best bet is to get into a field with high barriers to entry (ie. doctor, specialized engineer, etc.) or start your own business. There is something to be said for breaking the chain and being your own boss. It is not easy and most small businesses do fail but it never hurts to try. At least then, you will be in control of your own destiny.
lol i how you said high barriers like doctors and engineers or just become a business owner...
sure it is easy to form a llc, print some cards, build a webpage and call yourself a business owner... then fail at it. being a business owner is as hard or harder than any of those high barrier jobs...
sitting in a job and just doing what you are hired to do? so much easier. even doctors arent skilled in running a profitable hospital without more training just because they can practice what is being sold
Union bosses live like despots on your monthly dues and are paid as if an executive at the company many work for. And the corporate bosses will still be paid $$$$. They will pass the union BS onto their customers as will McDonald's when $15 hr minimum wages kick in...if they ever do.
If you make a livable wage, it's laughable the expectations that are placed upon your shoulders. Many employers are dreaming, or plain delusional.
And what's with the overtime thing being advertised as a benefit? If a business owner wants to work themselves into the grave, I want no part of their operation. Sustainability is my objective. Working crazy hours also negatively effects your thinking and outlook, in my opinion.
Just look at Japan. They are being peer-pressured into working overtime, and most don't leave until the boss does. Then it's traditional to sometimes go out to drink with the boss! They would joke and say they "live at work, and commute to home." Students are the same- they go to school, then clubs, then cram schools afterwards. They are sure hard workers, and never question their superiors!
It is also one of the most suicidal countries on Earth. Not a standard I'd want to live up to.
You would need paid for real estate and what ever building infrastructure with no loans in order to have the best chance at not failing. You have to be selling something that is fairly non elastic and has only moderate to no competition otherwise your going to struggle or fail.
Becoming a doctor or an engineer first helps to self finance the above things so that when you transition to just the buisness your not drowning in rent or mortgage payments for the buisness. If you get it down to the point where all you are paying for is consumables and taxes then you have a really good chance of making it
Those things are a pretty tall order, for most people that make it big its a combination of working hard because you enjoy the work for its own sake and THEN falling into a major catalyst that pushes you over the top (inheritance, some super favorable contract, etc, etc).
Someone who just falls into some commercial real estate in an inheritance is going to have a huge advantage over anyone they are competing with. Even if their buisness "fails" they can still lease out the property and make money.
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lol i how you said high barriers like doctors and engineers or just become a business owner...
sure it is easy to form a llc, print some cards, build a webpage and call yourself a business owner... then fail at it. being a business owner is as hard or harder than any of those high barrier jobs...
sitting in a job and just doing what you are hired to do? so much easier. even doctors arent skilled in running a profitable hospital without more training just because they can practice what is being sold
Is that your only argument against unions? Pretty sure UNION Boilermakers keep the lights on in this country, UNION Iron Workers erect the steel that supports high rises in this country, UNION Pipefitters assemble and build piping networks in refineries that produce the fuel you use to get to point A to point B (yeah even you tree huggers out there with your prius or hybrid or whatever else you have that you think is green, in the end it still comes from the ground and had to be processed) UNION carpenters build the houses you live in and do all the finishing work in the schools your kids go to and the buildings you work in, UNION shipbuilders build the ships that transport all the goods you anti union morons out there use and consume. The bashing on Unions is pretty pointless. Your basically bashing people who stand up for themselves. I'm a Union Boilermaker, I have no college degree, I make six figures every year, no student loans, no a**-hole boss to impress every day. I make my own conditions....
p.s. i apologize for not listing all the unions, there are simply too many to list. Lots of people are massively uneducated about unions. Thanks liberal media....
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Just look at Japan. They are being peer-pressured into working overtime, and most don't leave until the boss does. Then it's traditional to sometimes go out to drink with the boss! They would joke and say they "live at work, and commute to home." Students are the same- they go to school, then clubs, then cram schools afterwards. They are sure hard workers, and never question their superiors!
