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Most do, call DRs lol.. but parents get mad when they dont land that job with yahoo, google or some high end tech company. Kids today have no respect in earning anything, they want it handed to them. Just because you know java, doesnt mean your going to get in at google.
I don't think anyone who graduates expects to be placed at Google unless they were top ten in their class at a top ten university. Stop painting with a broad brush.
It can go both ways, but the new recruit will not get what he wants with no experience behind that 4 year old paper. They will need to take that entry level job for now to show that they are educated and able to meet the need, than move up from their or stick with it as as stepping stone. I witness people graduating with computer science degrees, and only end up being a level 1 help desk. $12-15 hour job. They are mad because they cant get the T3 job that is open. With no experience, your not going to get that top job period. While on the other hand, im sure you know somebody dumb as kelly bundy and still graduated with a degree.. So got to prove that you learn something before they will let you hang with the big dogs.
You mean those same entry level positions that require one to two years of experience so they really aren't entry level positions? Yup most kids would love to get that actually. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. I don't know what your experiences are but they are not as wide spread as you believe.
This is why I gave up on posting here for several years - it seems that there is an attitude that all kids out of school are whiny and automatically want a 6 figure salary.
I can't blame you. I remember posting a link about H1B workers in IT in another thread on this forum. A lot CEOs in the industry said there was a shortage of STEM majors so that's why they needed the H1B program to fill their openings. But that claim was a bold-faced lie.
There's a systematic problem here. I'm sure there are some entitled slackers but categorizing the entire young workforce like this? That's crap. There is a reason why Bernie and Trump were the most popular canidates and even though I doubt neither one of them could or can make a dramatic impact to address this issue the fact that so many people drifted to such extremes shows that the fan is about to be hit by feces.
I feel that the issue here lays with regulation of universities/colleges, If any of these institutions are receiving government funding ie; grants/scholarship funding etc. Then our Govt. should either step-in and regulate the classes these individual are able to take within the parameters of the grant/funding requirements OR force schools to educate and even recommend careers that offer job security & decent wages without compromising the students interests based on a personality test of sort.
Think about it, All of these institutions are receiving government funding one way or the other; Yet they continue to take and take money while providing sometimes what i'd consider useless education(s) ie; Art, Philosophy, Anthropology etc. Instead of actually making sure that students are career-ready upon graduating and assisting with job placement/security and teaching them valuable life skills. Seems to me as if schools are hanging students out to dry once they major in one of these useless programs, That to me doesn't sit right specially when them or their parents are paying for it - Its already bad enough we have over 5.5 million College dropouts more than non-HS grads within the US.
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First: Get rid of H1B and similar visas. The US government can't (or won't) even tell you how many people are here taking American jobs.
While i don't agree with this statement whatsoever, I do think it is necessary for our Govt. to prioritize American citizens well-being & career placements over that of a non-national.
Also they should start penalizing companies who hire these visa-holders at a lower wage than they would an American, That's no different from out-sourcing overseas except now they have visas so they can come here instead of the companies having to go overseas.
While i don't agree with this statement whatsoever, I do think it is necessary for our Govt. to prioritize American citizens well-being & career placements over that of a non-national.
Also they should start penalizing companies who hire these visa-holders at a lower wage than they would an American, That's no different from out-sourcing overseas except now they have visas so they can come here instead of the companies having to go overseas.
It sounds like you're advocating government sponsored affirmative action in employment hiring....yeah, that sounds like a horrible idea. The real solution is to let companies do what they need to do in order to be profitable.
It sounds like you're advocating government sponsored affirmative action in employment hiring....yeah, that sounds like a horrible idea. The real solution is to let companies do what they need to do in order to be profitable.
It's not affirmative action, at least by the traditional definition.
I feel that the issue here lays with regulation of universities/colleges, If any of these institutions are receiving government funding ie; grants/scholarship funding etc. Then our Govt. should either step-in and regulate the classes these individual are able to take within the parameters of the grant/funding requirements OR force schools to educate and even recommend careers that offer job security & decent wages without compromising the students interests based on a personality test of sort.
Think about it, All of these institutions are receiving government funding one way or the other; Yet they continue to take and take money while providing sometimes what i'd consider useless education(s) ie; Art, Philosophy, Anthropology etc. Instead of actually making sure that students are career-ready upon graduating and assisting with job placement/security and teaching them valuable life skills. Seems to me as if schools are hanging students out to dry once they major in one of these useless programs, That to me doesn't sit right specially when them or their parents are paying for it - Its already bad enough we have over 5.5 million College dropouts more than non-HS grads within the US.
While i don't agree with this statement whatsoever, I do think it is necessary for our Govt. to prioritize American citizens well-being & career placements over that of a non-national.
Also they should start penalizing companies who hire these visa-holders at a lower wage than they would an American, That's no different from out-sourcing overseas except now they have visas so they can come here instead of the companies having to go overseas.
The problem is that we want students to take courses in "the arts" to make them better citizens and employees.
For example, we want people to become better writers, so we have them take English/composition courses in college.
I feel that the issue here lays with regulation of universities/colleges, If any of these institutions are receiving government funding ie; grants/scholarship funding etc. Then our Govt. should either step-in and regulate the classes these individual are able to take within the parameters of the grant/funding requirements OR force schools to educate and even recommend careers that offer job security & decent wages without compromising the students interests based on a personality test of sort.
Think about it, All of these institutions are receiving government funding one way or the other; Yet they continue to take and take money while providing sometimes what i'd consider useless education(s) ie; Art, Philosophy, Anthropology etc. Instead of actually making sure that students are career-ready upon graduating and assisting with job placement/security and teaching them valuable life skills. Seems to me as if schools are hanging students out to dry once they major in one of these useless programs, That to me doesn't sit right specially when them or their parents are paying for it - Its already bad enough we have over 5.5 million College dropouts more than non-HS grads within the US.
While i don't agree with this statement whatsoever, I do think it is necessary for our Govt. to prioritize American citizens well-being & career placements over that of a non-national.
Also they should start penalizing companies who hire these visa-holders at a lower wage than they would an American, That's no different from out-sourcing overseas except now they have visas so they can come here instead of the companies having to go overseas.
What you've laid out is a very good analysis of one of the symptoms of the problem. The problem is not enough good jobs. What you are advocating for would not address the real problem, though.
I can't blame you. I remember posting a link about H1B workers in IT in another thread on this forum. A lot CEOs in the industry said there was a shortage of STEM majors so that's why they needed the H1B program to fill their openings. But that claim was a bold-faced lie.
There's a systematic problem here. I'm sure there are some entitled slackers but categorizing the entire young workforce like this? That's crap. There is a reason why Bernie and Trump were the most popular canidates and even though I doubt neither one of them could or can make a dramatic impact to address this issue the fact that so many people drifted to such extremes shows that the fan is about to be hit by feces.
I was hired at a tech company three years ago.
An H-1B was currently in the role. This was an associate level job. He was sponsored by the employer for this. After I was trained, he moved up in the organization. We hired five more citizens for that role over the next year.
There was no issue with the H-1B guy's performance - he was competent in that role and succeeded in the company. The problem was that there were plenty of citizens qualified for the role, and he should have never been sponsored in the first place.
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