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Old 04-04-2017, 10:12 PM
 
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Someone suggested that companies like Facebook, Google, and Amazon should hire high school graduates and train them on the job. Um, can folks even learn architecture, development, programming, languages like Python, Hadoop, or technologies like blockchain on the job?

Ideas like this show how much people truly don't understand about what's happening in the world.

Those stories are always great...but as you seem to understand, those HS kids are allready proven. They're created a noteable app or contributed to an open source project or whatever. Those are HS kids who allready have a baseline set of skills in CS and have applied it in a meaningful way. Can someone who knows nothing about programming in Python learn it? Sure, but it'll take a year or more for them to become fully proficient and make contributions that are meaningful. Why waste a year investing in someone, especially when the probability of them failing is HIGH, when you can find some from China, India, Russia, Finland, etc.
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Depending on the past election results, it appears the majority of working class prefer protectionism over the oligarchy's preference of free markets.
No. A couple thousand people in key rust belt states have been falsely tricked into believing protectionism is good. It is never good.
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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I think you found the variable. Some places are just not good for finding a job. I have a cousin who put herself through a CC nursing program being a nursing aide, got a job immediately after getting her RN, continued on to a BSN, and has never looked back. This was in Seattle. If she tried the same in Pittsburgh she might have end up eating beans in a one room flop.
And that is the solution a lot of the time. Just move. Some parts of the country simply aren't economically viable anymore, whereas others are desperately searching for workers.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Those stories are always great...but as you seem to understand, those HS kids are allready proven. They're created a noteable app or contributed to an open source project or whatever. Those are HS kids who allready have a baseline set of skills in CS and have applied it in a meaningful way. Can someone who knows nothing about programming in Python learn it? Sure, but it'll take a year or more for them to become fully proficient and make contributions that are meaningful. Why waste a year investing in someone, especially when the probability of them failing is HIGH, when you can find some from China, India, Russia, Finland, etc.
I would think the really knowledgeable and high functioning HS kid will figure a way to create a job or revenue. There are many examples of tech superstars starting in HS.
As far as the average, run of the mill HS student who has shown no real skill in tech...IDK.
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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The problem is that these days, companies are afraid employees will leave if they train them. This is true, but the fault mostly lies with the employer. I read an article recently on Forbes that those that leave their jobs every two years will easily get a 50% salary increase in a short amount of time. In other words, employees have no monetary incentive to stay when they are lucky to get 2% raises every year.
But they will lay people off in a heartbeat. It almost seems the employer wants to control all aspects of your career.
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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I would think the really knowledgeable and high functioning HS kid will figure a way to create a job or revenue. There are many examples of tech superstars starting in HS.
As far as the average, run of the mill HS student who has shown no real skill in tech...IDK.

But if you're running a business, the goal is to minimize risk. Hiring questionable junior talent, even at low salaries, is just really risky. What percentage of them will "fail"? What is the cost of that?
I wouldn't take that risk
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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But they will lay people off in a heartbeat. It almost seems the employer wants to control all aspects of your career.
They don't just want to control your career they want to bring back company stores and control your life.


Your 401k, medical insurance among other things are all tied to your employment, that's why there are so many phycological issues these days with peoples entire identities being tied to their jobs. We are modern day indentured servants.
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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But if you're running a business, the goal is to minimize risk. Hiring questionable junior talent, even at low salaries, is just really risky. What percentage of them will "fail"? What is the cost of that?
I wouldn't take that risk
Maybe you should go back into your moms basement then. If you invest in the market that's risk, if you have a job you risk being laid off, if you get married you risk divorce, I could go on and on.
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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Maybe you should go back into your moms basement then. If you invest in the market that's risk, if you have a job you risk being laid off, if you get married you risk divorce, I could go on and on.
Minimize risk by hiring smart people who show promise and capabiltiy

That's what we look for in hiring jr folks...as do the majority of companies out there
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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Minimize risk by hiring smart people who show promise and capabiltiy

That's what we look for in hiring jr folks...as do the majority of companies out there
It depends on how granular you want to get. Everyone gets not hiring the methhead who rides in on a bike with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth. That is not the issue now, the issue now is we have under employed engineers (with full blown engineering degrees).


There will be political blow back on the business community in the coming years because it is no longer about not hiring dead beats and methheads. Now productive members of society are suffering as a result of dysfunctional business decisions. Everyone cant just go out and start a business unless your ok with being taxed at 60% in order to give every graduating engineer a govt grant? How do you think people build seed money anyways?
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