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Except for sales and Mcjobs, there are virtually no entry level jobs that require no experience. Recent grads and career changers get hit with a catch-22.
What were they doing for 4 years during college besides homework?
Jobs dont pay people to do homework, what did the students do beyond that? Or does college only mean show up and do homework/take tests to you?
Ask high school seniors if they want to get into their top college choices if homework and test scores were the only things that mattered? Even 18 year olds understand they need things outside of the classroom to be competitive. How did 22 year olds forget this in 4 years?
I got a masters degree and I can't say it helped me at all. It looks good on the e-mail signature but that is about it.
Did you learn anything in the program? It's not the title but what you learned that helps you perform your job better. And performing your job better is what gets you a better job.
I dont understand thinking of a degree as "I filled that square, now I get a reward" mentality. I think of the degree as a tool I can use to be a better performer.
What were they doing for 4 years during college besides homework?
Jobs dont pay people to do homework, what did the students do beyond that? Or does college only mean show up and do homework/take tests to you?
Ask high school seniors if they want to get into their top college choices if homework and test scores were the only things that mattered? Even 18 year olds understand they need things outside of the classroom to be competitive. How did 22 year olds forget this in 4 years?
I did 3 internships in college, two of them were technically “homework†(two classes that required internships for credit).
A lot of majors want internships for credit now. But some places don’t count internships as experience.
I did 3 internships in college, two of them were technically “homework” (two classes that required internships for credit).
A lot of majors want internships for credit now. But some places don’t count internships as experience.
I can see their stance on why internship isn't "experience". I feel that way to an extent as well. The goal of an internship is to learn, that's what you are "experiencing". Companies want people to be "experienced" in the performance of the job, not the learning of it.
Unless the internship was long enough to encompass actual job performance / something similar to OTJ training, then it might be counted as job experience. If it was a learning experience, that's what it was though and it wasn't a job experience.
Kind of like job shadowing isn't job experience, but interning might be a long job shadow where they learn what goes on but no actual performance at some places. <-- being a 3rd party observer isn't the same as being the person doing it with someone mentoring you to correct mistakes
plus employers woudn't hold it against you either if you showed what you learned, but it's in a different category as work experience
University is not vo-tech or a job training program. Someone going in with the mindset that degree = high paying job would be better off going to a community college to learn a trade of some kind.
What were they doing for 4 years during college besides homework?
Jobs dont pay people to do homework, what did the students do beyond that? Or does college only mean show up and do homework/take tests to you?
Ask high school seniors if they want to get into their top college choices if homework and test scores were the only things that mattered? Even 18 year olds understand they need things outside of the classroom to be competitive. How did 22 year olds forget this in 4 years?
I think you missed what he was saying.
Person A is studying in college for a degree in Field A. He's doing internships for Field A. He later gets a job in Field A.
Then Field A begins to collapse as a career because of a disruptive advance in automation.
So Person A, while still working in Field A (supporting a family), he's studying for Field B. But he's not going to have experience in Field B by the time he needs to make the change.
University is not vo-tech or a job training program. Someone going in with the mindset that degree = high paying job would be better off going to a community college to learn a trade of some kind.
That's what I was saying at the beginning of the thread.
Most kids should be going to community college to learn a technical vocation.
Right now, most kids are not getting any planned, deliberate post-high school education at all, nor are they prepared for one.
You should have also gotten college internships into the job you were going to later change into.
Didn't they tell you that?
Many businesses don't count internships as real experience.
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