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Old 08-18-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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Moderator cut: Rudeness is not tolerated--see TOS and read the alt.med sticky. If you disagree please do so in a respectful manner.

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Old 08-18-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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Does anyone else find it passing strange that there are posters chiming in who seem very against natural/alternative medicine (and indeed, practice Western medicine) posting here?

It smacks of hijacking the thread as it does not answer the question raised in my original posting. Please review that question before posting your anti-alternative medicine point of view...it's not moving the discussion forward but is merely argumentative and counter-productive...but then, maybe that's the purpose of posting such arguments--to distract?
I'm pretty sure there's a sticky that addresses this issue.

Alternative Medicine rankles a lot of folks. There's a lot of money at stake and a lot of industries would suffer if Alternative Medicine became more mainstream (the food and beverage industry, drug companies, mainstream doctor practices, labs, x-ray facilities). Traditional medicine is super "big business." There's a lot to lose.
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Old 08-18-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Do you think/feel you have a better understanding of your body and its heath than a doctor? Do you turn to alternative, herbs, diet, nutrition or supplements before seeking out a doctor's visit? If you doctor yourself, how has that worked out?
Excellent questions! I probably have close to 20 health problems, but none show up on my blood & urine tests I get in annual physical. Many doctors are afraid to give a wrong diagnosis, as it could lead to wrong treatment. So they mostly don't diagnose, let alone treat.

When they do attempt to treat, it's usually like "I'm giving you an anti-biotic, in case it's a bacterial infection, but it's probably a viral infection". Then, "we can try another anti-biotic". They don't bother to say anti-biotics weaken the immune system, so people should take a pro-biotic when taking an anti-biotic.

After the anti-biotics fail, it's time to go see a specialist. The specialist will discuss operation or similar procedure, that may help or harm, that they may or may not want to do. Can anyone trust them 100%?

Cannabis, illegal in US since 1937, is probably the best drug overall, with 124 medical uses proven, and no proven deaths as a direct result of use by over 1 billion since our earliest recorded history. After a year without it (oz. costs half my monthly income, thanks to prohibition), I can't help but fantasize about killing myself. It can't be re-legalized because it doesn't kill anyone!

I'm on anxiety & depression drugs to help me sleep, but am miserable. Quitting them abruptly can be fatal, 1/3 reduction can cause crazy panic & insomnia. But years ago, I was told I must quit them to try a different anti-depressant. Assisted suicide? But they didn't know, supposedly. Prescribing death without knowing it? Trustworthy?

I use many "dietary supplements" but it's a faith thing, where no studies exist, so may be wasting a huge amount of $$. Many are preventative, not treatment or cure. So I can say I'm still alive, but not know if the dietary supplements are keeping me alive. D3 10,000 IUs daily prevents colds. Selenium in 1 trial reduced chances of being diagnosed with cancer by over 40%. COQ10 has been shown to hold down my triglycerides. Himalaya Liver Care & Alpha Lipoic Acid are likely counter-acting my excessive beer drinking. Most of the rest I can't prove if they help.

We may get fat from allegedly good food & drink, or psychotic meds, leading to obesity & diabetes. Then they can give a pill that might not help diabetes, but could cause arthritis. Then they could prescribe Celebrex for arthritis. The new ads say may cause 4 conditions that are sometimes fatal! Supposedly they didn't know that when the drug was new on the market. Should we trust them?
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Old 08-18-2013, 07:17 PM
 
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PLEASE keep in mind that this is an ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE forum. By its very nature, most alternative treatment is UNtested and UNproven. We know that. Once it is PROVEN, it is no longer alternative medicine. Bashing alt. med or demanding scientific studies is off topic in here and unproductive to the discussions. Thank you.

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Old 08-18-2013, 07:23 PM
 
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In post #39, I provided two links to studies I found simply by Googling "drug companies that pay doctors." One of them is from NBC News Washington and the other from NPR. There are many others.
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Old 08-18-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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Why is it none of you answer these questions? I've already looked and found nothing useful in the alt offerings. Telling people the body can heal itself of all disease and disorders is not an answer.

I have always lived a clean lifestyle with plenty of exercise and a good diet and I still developed hypothyroidism, endometriosis and a few other conditions over my lifetime. The alt info is not out there. Living a clean healthy lifestyle doesn't prevent the above mentioned conditions - and a heck of a lot more.

The human body cannot heal many things, that's why the death rate was so high before modern medicine. A walk through any old cemetery will prove that! A clean lifestyle can prevent many of our ailments, but not all of them.
We had hundreds of natural plant medicines hundreds of years before "modern" medicine. Of course newer is not always better. Of our 1st 10 presidents, ages of death ranged from 67 to 90. Benjamin Franklin lived to be about 84, despite being overweight. At least 1 of his biographies says he smoked hashish. He seemed to be one of the smartest & most creative people ever.

Our govt-corp alliance when it comes to medicine lies or contradicts, or stays silent. Look at the mess with the cannabis issue. Proven to help 124 medical conditions, with few unwanted side effects, greater % of success for many conditions, 0% chance of death as a direct result of use. But whether or not it is legal determines who has exactly what share of a pie that may be worth a few trillion.

Cannabis oil was in pharmacies until 1937, when cancer was rare. Now we have a cancer epidemic with
60% getting it, & half of them die. Best wishes.
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Old 08-18-2013, 08:20 PM
 
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I guess you are not following along. Stan said that he/she feels pressured to give in to patient demands against his/her better judgment. Obviously, that would not be the case if the patient needed insulin.
I'm following along fine. I'm sure Stan has told her patients to change eating habits etc. When they come back weighing 10lbs more and say the only thing will help is the medicine, she's gonna give it to them. Lots of doctors tell their patients ALL the time to lose weight or they will get diabetes, high cholesterol or what have you. They don't change their ways because they know all they have to do is take a pill.

My doctors complain of the same thing.
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Old 08-18-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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Cannabis oil was in pharmacies until 1937, when cancer was rare. Now we have a cancer epidemic with
60% getting it, & half of them die. Best wishes.


Where do you live where 60% of people get cancer and 50% of THOSE die? 3-mile island?
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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This fictional "she" was full of crap....

Physicians don't get "paid" for writing prescriptions end of story
She had absolutely no reason to lie or make this information up. The reason that it was not "reported" was because there was insufficient evidence to back it up. There is rarely a paper trail for bribery, in case you didn't know that.

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Old 08-19-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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I have always believed that endometriosis is caused by using tampons. Back in "the day" when I had a monthly period, I never, ever used them and I recall that there was an incredible amount of STUFF that was ejected from my body as part of the process. If you prevent this "stuff" from leaving your body because you are plugged up with a tampon, eventually its going to find a different route. Now I understand that you can have endometriosis in your major body organs such as your kidneys and there is no real connect between your uterus and your kidney but that tissue has to go somewhere, it just has to. I realize this is not terribly scientific, but back before people used tampons, nobody ever heard of this disorder, as far as I know.

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I'm only going to say "OMG" at this. Seriously.....STUFF COMES OUT even when you use a tampon. It's not hermetically sealing your uterus or anything!!

And what I bolded, you can fix that.
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