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Old 11-10-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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It is also good that Spain did retain our native languages and did not remove at all when they introduced Spanish.
Yes, actually deep formal Tagalog is a very beautiful, artistic and lyrical language that fortunately was not extinguished (except by the 21st century youth who are now given to textspeak).

Also retaining the dialects allowed the evolution of local creole dialects like Zamboanga chavacano, which while sounding like Spanish is unique in its own form.
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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Yes, actually deep formal Tagalog is a very beautiful, artistic and lyrical language that fortunately was not extinguished (except by the 21st century youth who are now given to textspeak).

Also retaining the dialects allowed the evolution of local creole dialects like Zamboanga chavacano, which while sounding like Spanish is unique in its own form.
for some tagalog was a force language specially those who are not a tagalog speakers. you'll read a lot of other ethnic. Some thought Tagalog speakers are making an empire.
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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That happened after independence when the official "Pilipino" language was largely derived from the Tagalog dialect and the other ethnic groups naturally felt disenfranchised.
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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for some tagalog was a force language specially those who are not a tagalog speakers. you'll read a lot of other ethnic. Some thought Tagalog speakers are making an empire.
Good point. Some have argued that the languages of the very first original inhabitants that were originally in the Filipino islands should have had privilege of their languages being recognized as official instead of Pilipino and Tagolog etc.
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:42 PM
 
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That happened after independence when the official "Pilipino" language was largely derived from the Tagalog dialect and the other ethnic groups naturally felt disenfranchised.
Well, they are already complaining even during the Tagalog declaration that's why they replace tagalog to 'Pilipino' but people still notice it did not change because it seems it still the tagalog so they replace again to Filipino with the additional 8 letters found in Indigenous Filipinos.
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Well it's Cory Aquino who removed the Spanish totally in curriculum because Marcos retain the Spanish Language although he replaced the 'Tagalog' to Pilipino. So during Marcos time we used Pilipino as National, Spanish still retain as official along with English because he knew it is so important from the history but because Cory changed some of our constitution and during Gloria Macapagal time she started to re-introduced the Spanish Language to Secondary Level and Cory Aquino's son is actually supporting this re-introduction of Spanish. Right now, there are some public school teachers sent by the government who are taking Spanish Language classes so that they can teach the language after they learn it. It's not yet available to all schools in Philippines but there are public schools who are studying the language. It's like Philippines back into the basic.

It was also Cory Aquino's time when the US Naval Base was removed from Subic Bay same time when she removed the Spanish Language in curriculum. Instead she just replaced the ' Pilipino' to Filipino during her time with insertion of other native Filipino languages & loanwords and the confusion began because others still use 'Pilipino' instead of the 'Filipino' specially those people who studied Pilipino not Filipino & still clueless that language changed lol for my own opinion, They shouldn't declare any official language to any native languages and should retain the Spanish and English as official languages and all ethnics languages should also official at least to preserved their individual native languages. Because most of the important documents like Land titles, Constitution, etc. is in Spanish as well as other Literature written by old Filipinos during the Colonial and after Spanish Colonial period who started the revolution are all in Spanish even the 1st National Anthem in 1898. Now, most Filipinos cannot even read the original writing of Jose Rizal in Spanish but those translated one. Although there are some words that we understood which is part of Filipino Language 'loanwords'.
Very interesting. From what I remember and heard wasn't it the USA that urged English to be pushed as a recognize language and USA also urged and forced the puppet governments to choose Pilipino and Tagolog as recognized official languages? Spanish was the official language of Philippines until 1987. From my understanding USA forcefully pushed and influenced the government to remove Spanish as official languages. How many people spoke Spanish natively? And did this effect relations with the rest of the Spanish speaking world and Spain? Is it generally used in conjunction with Chavacano(Spanish based Creole language)?

Do you think if Spanish was made official again most Filipino people would use it again as an official language?

And is it a given that most people in Philippines speak English?
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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Do you think if Spanish was made official again most Filipino people would use it again as an official language?
This is not quite accurate as most Filipinos did not speak or write in the Spanish language even during Spanish rule or when Spanish was purportedly an "official" language. Majority at that time could not even read or write and barely entered a classroom.

And many of those who ruled in behalf of Spain - the hacienderos and friars - were not really Spaniards and preferred not to communicate in Spanish other than for official/legal purposes. They were Basques by and large.
 
Old 11-10-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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Yes while there might be Filipinos who do not want to be associated with them, there are also many Filipino women in the US especially in California who are married to Mexican men and their offsprings are called " Mexipinos ". Examples are Vanessa Hudgens and American Idol star Jessica Sanchez.

My sister is also married to a Mexican.
I checked for Vanessa Hudgens it doesn't say that she has any Mexican in her. It just says she has an Irish and Native American father, and a mother who is a native of Manila, Philippines of Spanish-Chinese-Filipino descent.
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