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Wtf are you talking about? Our Spanish ancestors were not racist Germanics unlike you Dutch and English. The Spanish had no problem mixing with the natives in their colonies as you can see with Mexico and the Philippines. Whereas Anglos and the Dutch GENOCIDED the natives in their colonies like in America where Native Americans were wiped out or in South Africa where your Dutch descendant Afrikaner population did genocides and Apartheids on the Native Africans. Don't compare your standard with ours since there was a very high degree of Spanish mixing with natives in all their colonies unlike with the Netherlands as what happened in South Africa.
Most Spanish Filipinos also identify as their regional ethnicity too instead of Spanish this or that. Ask a person from Cavite who are descended from Mexican soldiers or people from Cainta Rizal who are descendants of Indian Sepoys and both will just say they are Tagalogs.
Spaniards raped just like every other european imperialist. Need to shed white savior complex and return to garuda like the rajahnate of tondo and cebu.
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Historically speaking, Spaniards slaughtered native people just like other imperialists.
The response of native Filipinos in the past were not as fierce as other Asians though. They chose to compromise instead, adopted many things that their lord pushed (that's why Philippines is so whitewashed now). Only tiny portion of indigenous culture pre-colonialism survives.
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Yeah ...
Historically speaking, Spaniards slaughtered native people just like other imperialists.
The response of native Filipinos in the past were not as fierce as other Asians though. They chose to compromise instead, adopted many things that their lord pushed (that's why Philippines is so whitewashed now). Only tiny portion of indigenous culture pre-colonialism survives.
Wut. The Spanish conquered so few people there were barely any Filipinos to conquer. The whole population of the Philippines then was just 600,000 that's already tried size of just one large town in Indonesia. In contrast, ancient Majapahit then at least had 5 Million people. Of course an Indonesian population of 5 Million would fight against people while 600,000 Filipinos could only eke out a living. It's quite a big deal for us to rise from the least populous nation in Southeast Asia to the second most populous in recent years.
Wut. The Spanish conquered so few people there were barely any Filipinos to conquer. The whole population of the Philippines then was just 600,000 that's already tried size of just one large town in Indonesia. In contrast, ancient Majapahit then at least had 5 Million people. Of course an Indonesian population of 5 Million would fight against people while 600,000 Filipinos could only eke out a living. It's quite a big deal for us to rise from the least populous nation in Southeast Asia to the second most populous in recent years.
667,612 was the very least population of the country in the 1590s, based on tribute collected. The number could easily doubled or tripled since we all know lahhh even in modern era when everything can be traced and detected, still so many people don't pay tax, let alone centuries ago when everything was still blurry.
Anyway,
There's no such thing as Indonesia prior to 1928. There were tens if not hundreds small kingdoms and tribes occupying the archipelago. From the very beginning of colonialism in the 1600s, wars and rebellions were literally everywhere. Killing millions of people.
Even Tidore Kingdom, occupying a tiny island located in Moluccas/Maluku, had a gut to strike back and rebel. It started the decline of Spaniards in the region. Unfortunately not long after, The Dutch came in full force to conquer the legendary "Spice Islands".
Tell us again your side of story about how divinely kind and nice the Spaniards were. Coz we call it a bullsh*t ... Our history books tell us about the inhuman treatments from Portuguese, Spain, The Netherlands in the past.
Probably both stories are just exaggerations though, in opposite way. You can clearly see the contrast mentality of Filipinos and Indonesians here.
But yeah thanks for that, now Indonesians can stand high and feel proud about how brave our ancestors were. So we can preserve and keep practicing our indigenous cultures that survived 3.5 centuries of colonialism.
667,612 was the very least population of the country in the 1590s, based on tribute collected. The number could easily doubled or tripled since we all know lahhh even in modern era when everything can be traced and detected, still so many people don't pay tax, let alone centuries ago when everything was still blurry.
Anyway,
There's no such thing as Indonesia prior to 1928. There were tens if not hundreds small kingdoms and tribes occupying the archipelago. From the very beginning of colonialism in the 1600s, wars and rebellions were literally everywhere. Killing millions of people.
Even Tidore Kingdom, occupying a tiny island located in Moluccas/Maluku, had a gut to strike back and rebel. It started the decline of Spaniards in the region. Unfortunately not long after, The Dutch came in full force to conquer the legendary "Spice Islands".
Tell us again your side of story about how divinely kind and nice the Spaniards were. Coz we call it a bullsh*t ... Our history books tell us about the inhuman treatments from Portuguese, Spain, The Netherlands in the past.
Probably both stories are just exaggerations though, in opposite way. You can clearly see the contrast mentality of Filipinos and Indonesians here.
But yeah thanks for that, now Indonesians can stand high and feel proud about how brave our ancestors were. So we can preserve and keep practicing our indigenous cultures that survived 3.5 centuries of colonialism.
Yes, brave Indonesians from Majapahit, of a population of 5 Million fighting bravely but ultimately failing against mere thousands of Dutch soldiers vs 600,000 native Filipinos who failed against 18,000 Spanish colonizers.
Oops. Nevermind that 2 Filipino states (Sulu and Manila) rebelled and successfully waged war against Majapahit.
Lol. This whole conversation is dumb. The title is “Euro-Asians in Asian countries” You can see from my post here that there’s still a small but existing Eurasian population in the Philippines. They’re still an integral part of Filipino society
In Indonesia, there arent many in comparison. Thats why you’re mostly just posting celebs who are half Indonesia half something else. The Dutch Indonesians are mostly all out of the country. So post another thread about Eurasians OUTSIDE of Asia and then you’ll be more on topic
Btw. Lots of Filipinos can pass as Mexicans and Brazilians out of coincidence because lots of people in those countries look Southeast Asian. I've met several tourists in the Philippines from Latin America and they've said that Filipinos talk to them in Tagalog and mistake them for locals. It's not hard for Latinos to pass in the Philippines as long as they're not the white kind
This guy is 100% Asian with no European but he can easily pass as Mexican
This guy is 10% European but looks like a regular Filipino
And this Filipino is also around 10% European but he looks completely different from the previous guy and people in the comments are saying he looks half black half white.
So my point is, you can't always rely on phenotype to determine genotype
BTW, I'm roughly 18% based on genealogy. As you said on another forum, you had me pegged as 10% based on phenotype alone.
Yes, brave Indonesians from Majapahit, of a population of 5 Million fighting bravely but ultimately failing against mere thousands of Dutch soldiers vs 600,000 native Filipinos who failed against 18,000 Spanish colonizers.
Oops. Nevermind that 2 Filipino states (Sulu and Manila) rebelled and successfully waged war against Majapahit.
That's why you have to learn about history, not fairy tale.
Majapahit was weakened by internal affair and the spread of Islam in the archipelago. And finally vanished right before the coming of the very first West imperialists to Indonesia archipelago, Portuguese. Since when did Majapahit ever fight against Dutch?
VOC (Dutch company) was probably the largest multinational company ever existed, estimated to be richer than Apple, Google, and Facebook combined. Had capability to rival even the strongest imperialists like British. That's why it sat on the juiciest parts of Nusantara "The Spice Islands", and got the monopoly of the "Black Gold" that even a small bucket could buy you big mansion that time, for more than 3 centuries.
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And if you think Amazon is thrifty with deliveries – the VOC sent over one million voyagers across Asia, which is more than the rest of Europe combined, in a time where a trip from Amsterdam to Batavia (Djakarta) would last no shorter than 8 to 10 months and many ships, or individual passengers, would never return. Many of the massive sailing ships perished in storms, fell prey to piracy or infectious disease. Traveling at the time came at a huge risk, but once on location and with the right knowledge and attitude there was a great chance of becoming wealthy and so many took the risk.
The company was also the first official company to issue stocks, which peaked during the Dutch “Tulip Mania”, a craze for tulip bulbs that is seen as the world’s first true financial bubble. The VOC’s stocks pushed the company’s worth to a massive 78 million Dutch guilders, which is a pretty solid business even today, but translates to a whopping $7,9 trillion dollar worth today… Yes, really, trillion. That’s 7,900 billion – or 79,000 million!
As comparison, The Philippines entire country's GDP doesn't even reach $0.5 trillion dollar today Though it has more than 100 Million people living in it.
Lol. This whole conversation is dumb. The title is “Euro-Asians in Asian countries” You can see from my post here that there’s still a small but existing Eurasian population in the Philippines. They’re still an integral part of Filipino society
In Indonesia, there arent many in comparison. Thats why you’re mostly just posting celebs who are half Indonesia half something else. The Dutch Indonesians are mostly all out of the country. So post another thread about Eurasians OUTSIDE of Asia and then you’ll be more on topic
How about those Eurasian celebs flooding the Philippines entertainment industry who are there just because the ease of having dual citizenship status, who will probably go somewhere else after they get "enough" money to start a better life?
Don't say it's not true. Since it is very obvious, some of my Filipino friends do concern about it. How can they (those halfies) just come, take money, and go, spend money somewhere else.
About Indonesia, just go to famous tourist destination like Bali and spend some time to socialize, you will know how many foreigners who mostly go there for vacation, end up marrying locals and stay.
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