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Old 04-07-2020, 09:45 AM
 
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The people of New Orleans and Louisiana thought that too. Not true.
It is true, and it's not the same climate.
N.O. and LA are 2,000 + miles from the equator and have a climate described as "subtropical" and a brief but definitive winter.
Vietnam is about 500 miles from the equator (then stretching north) and is considered the tropics (except for maybe the high mountains and extreme north).

But also, like China's neighboring countries, they are more accustomed to virus and the draconian measures needed to deal with it. Vietnam started taking measures way early, and have not only a disciplined population but a culture and authoritative government structure of surveillance and strict punishment to enforce these laws.

 
Old 04-07-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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So yeah, China still has cases. They are just keeping it quiet. Which is why I created this thread. We cannot afford to allow China to have such a dominant role in world trade when they are so reckless with something like this which has now gone on to infect millions and kill so many around the world. They would rather "save face" and let the rest of the world burn instead of trying to be open and transparent. And on health issues, we need openness. I'm hoping the rest of the world re evaluates just what China brings to the relationship. Not just low prices, but this as well. --from biafra4life

I want to THANK YOU many times for starting the thread. Can't rep you more, but this is extremely important. The entire world and our country in it should set aside political correctness and evaluate the way we do trade and business with China and everyone else. Our survival depends on it.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: 26°N x 82°W
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I was never a hardcore "buy American" type of consumer, for example all my cars have always been Japanese...but I'm definitely going to take a harder look at trying to find American alternatives to just buying Chinese all the time.

What say you?
Agree. We already buy USA goods over anything made in China when we have the choice, realizing that often materials for certain goods are sourced elsewhere even so.

I feel like this should be a good opportunity for America to look inside itself and initiate something of a renaissance with respect to redeveloping manufacturing that trickled overseas over time. Bring it back home. We'd have to pay handsomely, since there is such a big disparity in wages.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 10:59 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Again, lots of claims, but no proof. Do the people who claim China is lying about not having registered any new corona deaths today have any proof to the contrary?
According to the official data China has only 1242 active cases left, Ireland has 5165 active cases and also reports zero deaths today. Japan has 3222 active cases and not a single death either.

Also, unlike what people here say, China has a pretty good, modern healthcare system, especially in the cities. They do have a pharma problem, but that is not really important regarding corona.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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Again, lots of claims, but no proof. Do the people who claim China is lying about not having registered any new corona deaths today have any proof to the contrary?
According to the official data China has only 1242 active cases left, Ireland has 5165 active cases and also reports zero deaths today. Japan has 3222 active cases and not a single death either.

Also, unlike what people here say, China has a pretty good, modern healthcare system, especially in the cities. They do have a pharma problem, but that is not really important regarding corona.

keep telling yourself that
 
Old 04-07-2020, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Again, lots of claims, but no proof. Do the people who claim China is lying about not having registered any new corona deaths today have any proof to the contrary?
According to the official data China has only 1242 active cases left, Ireland has 5165 active cases and also reports zero deaths today. Japan has 3222 active cases and not a single death either.

Also, unlike what people here say, China has a pretty good, modern healthcare system, especially in the cities. They do have a pharma problem, but that is not really important regarding corona.
Most of what I've experienced in terms of healthcare here was mediocre at best and inept at worst, which is the generally held viewpoint in the expat community. Wealthy and powerful Chinese nationals are well-known for pursuing serious medical treatment elsewhere.

I broke my arm a couple years ago and they used wood bark to fashion a splint, then wrap it. I had to have it replaced weekly. It didn't do a particularly good job of isolating it and now I have a weird "click" when I raise the arm above my head while holding more than 5 or 6kg.

Its widely established that China lies or embellishes routinely about many things; I don't understand why all of a sudden it's supposed to get a pass, now. The situation is certainly better than it has been but I doubt the claims of zero infections, of it effectively being "beaten." It's the perfect time for a PR push...
 
Old 04-07-2020, 12:06 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Are they still testing a lot for Coronavirus?

They still do report new infections, which is actually worse than new deaths because those deaths are the result of infections weeks ago.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 12:08 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Most of what I've experienced in terms of healthcare here was mediocre at best and inept at worst, which is the generally held viewpoint in the expat community. Wealthy and powerful Chinese nationals are well-known for pursuing serious medical treatment elsewhere.

I broke my arm a couple years ago and they used wood bark to fashion a splint, then wrap it. I had to have it replaced weekly. It didn't do a particularly good job of isolating it and now I have a weird "click" when I raise the arm above my head while holding more than 5 or 6kg.

Its widely established that China lies or embellishes routinely about many things; I don't understand why all of a sudden it's supposed to get a pass, now. The situation is certainly better than it has been but I doubt the claims of zero infections, of it effectively being "beaten." It's the perfect time for a PR push...
What I think nothing of is much of traditional Chinese medicine, which in my view is mostly based on superstition. Even worse, that superstition has long become a problem for certain animal species.
Superstition/religion and habits are areas where China needs to modernize.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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What I think nothing of is much of traditional Chinese medicine, which in my view is mostly based on superstition. Even worse, that superstition has long become a problem for certain animal species.
Superstition/religion and habits are areas where China needs to modernize.

I thought being an orwellian police that controls people through social media and fear, and puts them in concentration camps would be enough to change dark age habits.


I guess Room 101 doesn't work enough.


https://news.yahoo.com/china-spokesm...102935148.html
 
Old 04-07-2020, 02:52 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I thought being an orwellian police that controls people through social media and fear, and puts them in concentration camps would be enough to change dark age habits.


I guess Room 101 doesn't work enough.


https://news.yahoo.com/china-spokesm...102935148.html
There are reeducation camps, not concentration camps.
Surveillance in the West is just as troubling, I don't trust Western governments, especially the American one, any more than the Chinese one.
Room 101? The waterboarding news came from insiders of the Orwellian US police state.

But I think Xi has realized the need to get rid of superstition/religion, he is an outspoken opponent of those silly religions from the Middle East.
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