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Old 04-12-2020, 06:08 PM
 
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China has announced that they are limiting academic research into COVID-19 and requiring everything be vetted by the central government before release.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/...RS9pR2keQFUrxM
CPC is doing what they do best to control public information on this China virus.

 
Old 04-13-2020, 07:55 AM
 
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There is also an accusation that some of the biological materials created in UNC-CH were not transferred to the lab in Wuhan. It would be a false flag biochemical attack such as was seen in Syria. I don't think they have proof, but I doubt the human-transmissible coronavirus specimens would be allowed to be transferred to China from the US. US authorities would still have them.

Russia, China quiz US on coronavirus parentage
 
Old 04-13-2020, 11:19 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Those ABC weapon programs should be abandoned altogether around the world. Do we really not have enough conventional weapons to destroy our planet?!
The world's military is infected with racist and fascist psychopaths. When such people have power, they become a threat for mankind.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 12:01 PM
 
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The EU should launch a program that ensures complete tech self-sufficiency in all that matters, similar to the program China has. I already recommended that to the EU a year ago, long before the virus popped up. Imports should be limited to raw materials as well as luxury and other non-essential products.

We should minimize intercontinental trade.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Also, Europe has close business ties with China, we need China since it is such a huge market. That's why Europeans are happy when China gets back on its feet again asap. Unlike brainwashed Americans, we are interested in a prosperous China. We are aware China is a difficult country, though.
More like Europe is so fractured and headless that Europeans can't afford to say no to China. European countries need to protect their companies from Chinese takeovers, says EU Commissioner, but it's probably way too late at this point.

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As I said, we are aware China is a difficult country to deal with. We don't exactly love the Chinese government.
But take Germany, China is their biggest trading partner, Germans need the Chinese to buy German products. Germany gains more from the trade than it loses due to IP theft.

Also, we Europeans have a different view compared to Americans. Many people here can't stand the US, either. So, we consider ourselves a bloc that tries to get along with both rivals, while focusing on what is best for us.
Your bloc is a joke. You have a stagnant economy, a currency that is way too strong for the majority of its users, and a thousand different voices that never agree with one another in this bloc of yours. What has the EU done to respond to this pandemic? What have other European countries done to help Italy and Spain when people were dropping like flies there? What is the EU doing now while Hungary and Poland are flushing down democracy down the toilet? What about the disastrous mishandling of the refugee crisis that set the far-right extremism on fire? The US economy has prospered since the financial crash whereas Europe has barely had any real growth, and you have the face to say you gain more from the trade than you lose due to IP theft? Lol, give me a ****ing break. Germany might have done ok, but Southern Europe certainly has not.

Btw, the US is Germany's biggest trading partner. China isn't even the second biggest. France is.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 10:14 AM
 
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Wet markets may be off the hook. They now think one or more employees were accidentally infected in the labs and went to the markets where they handled meat and produce.

It's basically useless to directly compare trade between countries since the final and intermediate assembly may take place elsewhere. A lot of the Chinese exports go to Mexico. Japan also has historically run a trade surplus with China and exports their products from Chinese factories.

Europe has little growth because their policy and that of Japan is to push money into the US to support their exports. That's why they push austerity on government programs in their own economies. It creates a favorable trade balance, while keep interest rates low in combination with QE. The whole purpose of global QE and negative deposit rates is to push money into the US for the wealth effect and stimulate exports.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/82856...silence-his-wi
 
Old 04-14-2020, 01:38 PM
 
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The US economy has prospered since the financial crash...

No it hasn't. What you see about Dow hitting 23k or so is just quiet before the storm. The unemployment in America is unseen in history even compared to the great depression, the "prosperity" you see is due to feds or other actors likely handful of hedge funds buying but this has been attempted many times in history before. Let's get real here, no economy can "prosper" when thousands of people a day die in your city (talking about the financial hub - new york). They're just delaying it, whether it will hit them hard this summer or next winter I can't tell but it's due to happen at some point. edit: grammar...
 
Old 04-14-2020, 01:47 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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More like Europe is so fractured and headless that Europeans can't afford to say no to China. European countries need to protect their companies from Chinese takeovers, says EU Commissioner, but it's probably way too late at this point.


Your bloc is a joke. You have a stagnant economy, a currency that is way too strong for the majority of its users, and a thousand different voices that never agree with one another in this bloc of yours. What has the EU done to respond to this pandemic? What have other European countries done to help Italy and Spain when people were dropping like flies there? What is the EU doing now while Hungary and Poland are flushing down democracy down the toilet? What about the disastrous mishandling of the refugee crisis that set the far-right extremism on fire? The US economy has prospered since the financial crash whereas Europe has barely had any real growth, and you have the face to say you gain more from the trade than you lose due to IP theft? Lol, give me a ****ing break. Germany might have done ok, but Southern Europe certainly has not.

Btw, the US is Germany's biggest trading partner. China isn't even the second biggest. France is.
Europeans have to think strategically. Economically the future is in Asia, not only China, but China is by far the biggest growth market for future exports. The US is becoming less and less important as it is already saturated, almost 1/5th the size of China, not to mention Trump's protectionist steps.

Trading partner involves imports and exports. The US is still Germany's biggest export market, but China is already the biggest source of imports. And 2/3 of Germany's exports go to fellow EU-countries.

Yes, the EU still has too much national egoism, the EU should be completed, currently we are stuck in the middle of the process.
I don't know about the south as such, but Portugal was doing ok, there actually was a budget surplus in 2019, unemployment was low, generally people were in a good mood and optimistic.
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