Atlanta's national status (Dallas, Jackson, Boston: to move, suburban, title)

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Indentured Servant,

Why are you derailing the topic? And why choose indentured servant as name?

My questions also derail the thread, i guess.

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Ok base off that here's the communication error, It doesn't matter what the mile radius is, it's the fact the your putting two metros in the same mile radius what ever that is. That's still call density, the only thing is you haven't set the radius. So in return your saying under any mile radius Detroit is denser. Detroit is denser what your looking is not going to get better than that.


look man I have nothing against Detroit as I said before, Detroit will always has it's legacy for what it done for this country. I have the same view for New Orleans and some what St Louis. I hope the city and the region makes a full recover. Unlike New Orleans and ST Louis, Detroit is still a top 15 metro region, and it has a chance to join back up with the higher of cities. But as of right now Atlanta has surpass and is on a higher tire then Detroit. But don't try to shoot down other city.

I glade the Auto industry is doing well but Detroit still needs work on something to fall back on. Look at Houston in the 80s with the oil bust now there economy is more diverse. Detroit needs needs to follow in those foot steps. As for Atlanta home price will mostly not return as high. But in the long road I believe that's a good thing. Were kind of confused about the unemployment rate right now, it might actually be than expected.

That's fine about how you see detroit. I have lived in both places and an area is much more than statistics. I now live in minneapolis. Atlanta seems no more special or important to me than minneapolis. It's just another big isolated area. I dont get the hype....but I do get that yaw are sure hyped and sensitive....lol.

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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Man.....you cats down there are S-E-N-S-I-T-I-V-E. I think you guys have an inferiority complex that leads to overcompensation by overhyping the area. You are always trying to hype the area because of this insecurity about your stature relative to other areas. Its like the "small man complex" or something.

If that's the case it seems to be working like a charm don't you think, I mean you're here!

It's actually more rare than you think, I think you're exaggerating at least a little but Atlanta and the state of Georgia seems to be in tune with with what's going on outside it's realm which is very important, many cities and states are now blighted and no longer significant because they forgot this rule.

Simply put many other cities and states are no longer competitive and it's a terrible thing to live in such a place that's no longer sensitive to its economic conditions.

[Bizurko]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

That's fine about how you see detroit. I have lived in both places and an area is much more than statistics. I now live in minneapolis. Atlanta seems no more special or important to me than minneapolis. It's just another big isolated area. I dont get the hype....but I do get that yaw are sure hyped and sensitive....lol.

Minneapolis? Really hmmmmm, I think the same of Detroit to me is no more important than Birmingham, since well alot of the automotive plants are moving down to the southeast anyway, but there is no way in the world that my opinion is correct and we know it is more important right and you know that Atlanta is much more important than Minneapolis so don't voice such ridiculous things when you know darn good and well that they make no sense.

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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Again, its splitting hairs. A person living between DC and B-more has access to the ammenities that emenate from nearly 8 million people. That AREA simply offers a lot more than the Atlanta area does. People create importance an if an area has people it has importance.....the more people the more importance.

Huh? Did you read anything I wrote? They're two separate metro, Baltimore existed before D.C. was a thought. They really haven't had much influence on each other, a lot less than you would think actually. And Baltimore really hasn't benefited from being next to D.C. in fact it's probably hurt it.

Again, if Atlanta and Detroit is an apples and oranges comparison then this a a Pear being thrown in.

[Peachtin]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

That's fine about how you see detroit. I have lived in both places and an area is much more than statistics. I now live in minneapolis. Atlanta seems no more special or important to me than minneapolis. It's just another big isolated area. I dont get the hype....but I do get that yaw are sure hyped and sensitive....lol.

Who is hyping Atlanta, forum posters? I never hear anything about Atlanta in real life.

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Originally Posted by JoeP

That's not true. Yes many in DC could care less about Baltimore, but there are a lot of people in Howard County (a Baltimore suburb county) alone, who commute to both cities and train access exits to both cities.

Secondly, Baltimore benefits from spillover gov't work within its metro. Perhaps not Baltimore City, but the area definitely does benefit from DC directly or contract work etc.

It is true,you would think the two cities were more integrated. As far as Howard County, I would say Fulton area down commute and most go to Montgomery County. You see Ravens and Maryland flags in the Columbia and Elliott City parts of Howard (which are north). In fact I would say Baltimore has invaded, the D.C. area more than D.C. has with Johns Hopkins opening locations in Montgomery and D.C. It's more of a Maryland integration than anything between Baltimore and MD National Capital Region

And as for the bold, I knew someone was going to say that. The truth is Baltimore doesn't have anymore Federal government jobs than a lot of other cities and metros. Atlanta has the CDC right? And guess who benefited most from BRAC? Georgia! Not to mention Lockheed Martin manufacturing facilities etc. Does Denver not benefit from the huge US Military operations there? How about the huge bases around Los Angeles, that helped create an aerospace industry there?

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Originally Posted by MDAllstar

That is not true at all. The northern D.C. border counties of Montgomery County, Prince George's County, and Frederick County and the southern Baltimore counties of Howard County and Anne Arundel Counties each intermingle at extreme rates. That goes for shopping and entertainment. You need to realize that when it comes to the central core cities, people almost never leave the city though.

People in extremely urban cities like D.C. proper and Baltimore city proper don't have a desire to leave the central city because the suburbs don't offer even a small percentage of the amenities and entertainment in the city proper. This dynamic exists in Manhattan, Boston, and San Francisco city proper also. The only time you will find people in a city like D.C. traveling to the suburbs would be for outdoor excursions like the beach or mountains. They also would leave if they are visiting friends and family, but other than that, they have no reason to go to the suburbs.

Plenty of people in the suburbs however travel to D.C. and Baltimore proper though. D.C. suburb residents travel to Baltimore to enjoy the inner harbor etc. D.C. pretty much speaks for itself being one of the most visited cities in the world. D.C. is one of the big dogs in the nation when it comes to fine dining, shopping, theater, and attractions.

Maybe for Baltimore but total BS for D.C. in fact I would say the entertainment capital of the D.C. region is on the Maryland side between Prince George's and Montgomery Counties. For example, D.C.'s harbor is actually National Harbor in Prince George's County, nothing in D.C. proper can match it. Silver Spring and Bethesda are more urban than most of the D.C. proper, high end shopping in an urban fashion is in Chevy Chase, MD. Fed Ex field (Redskins stadium), Six Flags, College Park, water access and maybe soon casinos are all in Prince George's County.

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Originally Posted by po-boy

Well, in my personal rankings I actually have Atlanta ahead of both Miami and Seattle. (I tend to put Atlanta 10, Miami 11, and Seattle either 12 or 13 along with Detroit). That being said, they are certainly all comparable. To compare the three:

Miami: Miami has the largest population of the three, with a few hundred thousand people more than Atlanta. It has the busiest cruise passenger port in the world. It has the largest collection of international banks in the US. It is considered the "Gateway to America" and many latin american companies have their US headquarters in Miami. It is an important tourist destination. I believe the majority of Telemundo productions are filmed in Miami.

Seattle: The biggest argument againt Seattle is its significantly smaller population. But it is the defacto capital of its region (pacific northwest) in a way similar to how Atlanta is the defacto capital of the souteast. As you note it has a strong corporate base with some corporate heavy hitters like Microsoft, Amazon, Costco and Starbucks. I believe it is the American city with the highest percentage of college graduates. It has an iconic structure (the space needle) that is more well known than any specific thing in Miami or Atlanta.

So yeah, I think Atlanta just barely passes those two cities, but they both have valid points in their favor, and if someone was of the opinion that one or both of them edged out Atlanta I would respectfully disagree, but think they had some good points.

And in the wikipedia page, it showed a study that ranked Miami higher. The population margins are not significant to even hold weight between Miami and Atlanta. All that you've mentioned as cards for Miami can be easily trumped by Atlanta, which has a major US bank branches including a Federal Reserve branch. Not to forget its own large hometown Bank Suntrust and a Bank of America tower taller than the company's own headquarters. The busiest cruise port in the world is like an ant to a elephant compared to the busiest Airport in the world. Miami is a "Gateway for latin America". Atlanta is a gateway for Africa, Europe, Asia and Middle East the other 85% on the planet and is "America's airport".

Atlanta is the defacto place for U.S. Company regional offices and U.S. headquarters for quite a bit of international companies too. That's just more important than latin american us headquarters in a town.

As for Seattle we are talking about regions and I believe D.C. metro has the highest percentage of people with a bachelors 25yrs old or greater. But you can't argue that Atlanta's higher education system is far more recognized. And seriously the space needle? I'll take the Olympics any day, the needle certainly didn't keep the sonics in town.

It's just not even close, the number of companies Headquartered in Atlanta and more importantly the diversity, (from shipping giant, to Airline giant, to Cable giant, to Construction supplies giant, to food and Beverage giants). I would say that Atlanta is actually kind of underrated and I think it has partly to do with it being seen as a "Black Mecca", if they could get more large companies under those categories that would be great. With Film and TV production increasing in Georgia we will see more and more of Atlanta on TV and it will be accelerating towards the recognition level of LA and NYC, that's the #1 reason those cities are more popular, media coverage!

I would actually call Atlanta the "Home Goods" capital of the US.

[dculross]

when it comes to major U.S. cities, Atlanta isn't even on the radar. Atlanta is currently competing with Omaha, Nebraska for the 40th largest city. Atlanta will never be seen as top tier.