I'm all for gentrification. (Atlanta, Druid Hills: rent, home, schools)

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Get your history correct. It was the "non-black people" that white-flighted out of the area that caused any lack of diversity in the first place.


It amazes me that there are still people out there that see all-black areas and think that is due to a notion of black people not wanting diversity. As if.

Off topic to the OP but not to your post and I think you would be a good resource on this. Is there a map or series of maps that would show the historical patterns of Atlanta's neighborhoods by race? I only know of areas that were white and because of white flight in the 60s and 70s became all black. We know the racial segregation of the south, I know exactly what street in Hogansville, GA was considered white and at what point it was considered black and it still follows pretty closely to that same pattern to this day But that is a town of 3000.

I get the feeling that in segregated days (if I may use that term... pre 60s segregation that is) that whole neighborhoods weren't considered "white" and "black" as they have been in the last 5 decades or so, but that Atlanta's neighborhoods were more like my hometown. White and black together, but a definite white part of the neighborhood and a definite demarcation for the black part of the neighborhood. I think that historically Atlanta wasn't so much a one side of town is white and another black as it sort of morphed into post white flight, but that it was actually more diversified in that strict sense of the word.

Hope I am making sense.... an example I am thinking of... West End was an original street car suburb, first settled by wealthy whites. Whites stayed in the area up until white flight. But the AUC is almost adjacent and surely an area that was primarily black for their entirety of existence.

So what neighborhoods were always white, what were diversified but still segregated within themselves and what neighborhoods were always black? Any resource on this?

[equinox63]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Off topic to the OP but not to your post and I think you would be a good resource on this. Is there a map or series of maps that would show the historical patterns of Atlanta's neighborhoods by race? I only know of areas that were white and because of white flight in the 60s and 70s became all black. We know the racial segregation of the south, I know exactly what street in Hogansville, GA was considered white and at what point it was considered black and it still follows pretty closely to that same pattern to this day But that is a town of 3000.

I get the feeling that in segregated days (if I may use that term... pre 60s segregation that is) that whole neighborhoods weren't considered "white" and "black" as they have been in the last 5 decades or so, but that Atlanta's neighborhoods were more like my hometown. White and black together, but a definite white part of the neighborhood and a definite demarcation for the black part of the neighborhood. I think that historically Atlanta wasn't so much a one side of town is white and another black as it sort of morphed into post white flight, but that it was actually more diversified in that strict sense of the word.

Hope I am making sense.... an example I am thinking of... West End was an original street car suburb, first settled by wealthy whites. Whites stayed in the area up until white flight. But the AUC is almost adjacent and surely an area that was primarily black for their entirety of existence.

So what neighborhoods were always white, what were diversified but still segregated within themselves and what neighborhoods were always black? Any resource on this?

All of that is in this book that she recommended:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/06911...4jL&ref=plSrch

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Off topic to the OP but not to your post and I think you would be a good resource on this. Is there a map or series of maps that would show the historical patterns of Atlanta's neighborhoods by race? I only know of areas that were white and because of white flight in the 60s and 70s became all black. We know the racial segregation of the south, I know exactly what street in Hogansville, GA was considered white and at what point it was considered black and it still follows pretty closely to that same pattern to this day But that is a town of 3000.

I get the feeling that in segregated days (if I may use that term... pre 60s segregation that is) that whole neighborhoods weren't considered "white" and "black" as they have been in the last 5 decades or so, but that Atlanta's neighborhoods were more like my hometown. White and black together, but a definite white part of the neighborhood and a definite demarcation for the black part of the neighborhood. I think that historically Atlanta wasn't so much a one side of town is white and another black as it sort of morphed into post white flight, but that it was actually more diversified in that strict sense of the word.

Hope I am making sense.... an example I am thinking of... West End was an original street car suburb, first settled by wealthy whites. Whites stayed in the area up until white flight. But the AUC is almost adjacent and surely an area that was primarily black for their entirety of existence.

So what neighborhoods were always white, what were diversified but still segregated within themselves and what neighborhoods were always black? Any resource on this?

Originally Posted by equinox63

All of that is in this book that she recommended:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/06911...4jL&ref=plSrch

Yes, Brother Marks...

You will find exactly what you are looking for in this book:

Kruse, K.M.: White Flight: Atlanta and the Making of Modern Conservatism. (eBook and Paperback)



Get it and read it. You won't regret it.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Off topic to the OP but not to your post and I think you would be a good resource on this. Is there a map or series of maps that would show the historical patterns of Atlanta's neighborhoods by race? I only know of areas that were white and because of white flight in the 60s and 70s became all black. We know the racial segregation of the south, I know exactly what street in Hogansville, GA was considered white and at what point it was considered black and it still follows pretty closely to that same pattern to this day But that is a town of 3000.

I get the feeling that in segregated days (if I may use that term... pre 60s segregation that is) that whole neighborhoods weren't considered "white" and "black" as they have been in the last 5 decades or so, but that Atlanta's neighborhoods were more like my hometown. White and black together, but a definite white part of the neighborhood and a definite demarcation for the black part of the neighborhood. I think that historically Atlanta wasn't so much a one side of town is white and another black as it sort of morphed into post white flight, but that it was actually more diversified in that strict sense of the word.

Hope I am making sense.... an example I am thinking of... West End was an original street car suburb, first settled by wealthy whites. Whites stayed in the area up until white flight. But the AUC is almost adjacent and surely an area that was primarily black for their entirety of existence.

So what neighborhoods were always white, what were diversified but still segregated within themselves and what neighborhoods were always black? Any resource on this?

One related tidbit from your post that you will find in the book (among many other things)...


Ashby Street once had a black part and a white part.

[Saskia Calico]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

Poor, and everything that comes as part of that.

Instead of pricing people out of their homes, we should be working to elliminate their poverty, and the symptoms that come from it. That means jobs, education, health services, etc.

You're younger than 50, aren't you?

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by Saskia Calico

You're younger than 50, aren't you?

What is that supposed to mean?

[Newsboy]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Off topic to the OP but not to your post and I think you would be a good resource on this. Is there a map or series of maps that would show the historical patterns of Atlanta's neighborhoods by race? I only know of areas that were white and because of white flight in the 60s and 70s became all black. We know the racial segregation of the south, I know exactly what street in Hogansville, GA was considered white and at what point it was considered black and it still follows pretty closely to that same pattern to this day But that is a town of 3000.

I get the feeling that in segregated days (if I may use that term... pre 60s segregation that is) that whole neighborhoods weren't considered "white" and "black" as they have been in the last 5 decades or so, but that Atlanta's neighborhoods were more like my hometown. White and black together, but a definite white part of the neighborhood and a definite demarcation for the black part of the neighborhood. I think that historically Atlanta wasn't so much a one side of town is white and another black as it sort of morphed into post white flight, but that it was actually more diversified in that strict sense of the word.

Hope I am making sense.... an example I am thinking of... West End was an original street car suburb, first settled by wealthy whites. Whites stayed in the area up until white flight. But the AUC is almost adjacent and surely an area that was primarily black for their entirety of existence.

So what neighborhoods were always white, what were diversified but still segregated within themselves and what neighborhoods were always black? Any resource on this?

White people had no problem living down the street or around the corner from black people ... as long as they went to different schools, shopped at different stores, drank from different fountains, rode in the back of the bus -- and did not vote.

[bryantm3]

it is a waste of time to bother to engage this person; they don't want to listen and learn, they want to shout and be right. all we can do is hope that reasonable people who are thinking along the same lines can see and understand that while gentrification has improved a lot of formerly abandoned areas, it comes at the cost of excluding people entirely based on their income. and since we all know that women and minorities make less money on average, it also excludes people based on race and gender. whether that's the intention or not is irrelevant, because that's the effect. i don't think any reasonable person believes that a person's income, race, or gender has any effect on whether or not they can be a good neighbour or community member.

[nick4242]

Be grateful that you can buy a property in atlanta area because it's cheaper than renting, but for god's sake if you've ever picked up a newspaper in the past 15 years you would know that property values don't go up very much in atlanta.

Nearly every condo on peachtree street is worth around the same or lower than it was in 2002, to give you a perspective on atlanta.

You people don't even know what gentrification is, because practically anyone making above $25k/year in your city can buy a condo on peachtree street. Come to Denver or any city in the west and THEN you'll get a reality check on what real gentrification is.

[alco89]

Originally Posted by nick4242

Be grateful that you can buy a property in atlanta area because it's cheaper than renting, but for god's sake if you've ever picked up a newspaper in the past 15 years you would know that property values don't go up very much in atlanta.

Nearly every condo on peachtree street is worth around the same or lower than it was in 2002, to give you a perspective on atlanta.

You people don't even know what gentrification is, because practically anyone making above $25k/year in your city can buy a condo on peachtree street. Come to Denver or any city in the west and THEN you'll get a reality check on what real gentrification is.

No, YOU need to come back to Atlanta to get a reality check. You couldn't be more off-base!