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If you can't be polite in response to perfectly reasonable points, then I won't bother to try to reason you out of a position you clearly didn't reason your way into.
When you say bluntly ignorant things, you're likely to elicit blunt responses. The only "perfectly reasonable point" you had to offer was the lack of diesels available in the passenger car fleet, and the reasons for that have been touched on in this thread and hashed out at length in others. Otherwise, you're clinging to hopelessly outdated notions such as being stuck in a "no replacement for displacement" mentality here even as engine displacements have been getting smaller and smaller, or that pushrod motors represent anything more than an extremely thin slice of the car market here, out in the specialty car market no less.
So let me bring you up to speed: 1) a substantial majority of cars people buy are 4-cylinder models with displacements of 2.5L or less; 2) roughly 98% of cars sold here have DOHC motors; c) the remaining 2% are reserved for high-performance specialty models; and d) even trucks are moving more and more toward V6 models as the power output of V6's becomes increasingly adequate for the task.
It would be nice if we could see more diesel models here; unfortunately US emissions standards on diesels are far more stringent than in Europe particularly with regard to NOx emissions, and it has proven extremely difficult to meet those standards cost-effectively.
When you say bluntly ignorant things, you're likely to elicit blunt responses.
Hardly.
The hire car point couldn't be more valid. The very same car is sold in Europe.
In the US it has a 170bhp engine and won't do more than 22mpg
In Europe it has a 170bhp engine with waaay more torque and will do 100% more mpg. It also emits far less co2 and has a particulate filter so emits very little of anything else either.
For the most part, American cars are dinosaurs. That's why the rest of the world doesn't buy them. In fact, the rest of the world laughs at American cars. If they were any good, we'd want them.
The hire car point couldn't be more valid. The very same car is sold in Europe.
In the US it has a 170bhp engine and won't do more than 22mpg
In Europe it has a 170bhp engine with waaay more torque and will do 100% more mpg. It also emits far less co2 and has a particulate filter so emits very little of anything else either.
For the most part, American cars are dinosaurs. That's why the rest of the world doesn't buy them. In fact, the rest of the world laughs at American cars. If they were any good, we'd want them.
I like how you completely ignored the rest of my post. Probably because you realized I had you dead to rights.
And nobody from Britain of all places has any business dogging on American cars.
Dear me, you are touchy aren't you. Like I said, I'm not going to reason with you because your opinions aren't based on reason.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Except nobody wants to eat the American pudding. British made cars are selling big time all over the world. JLR, Rolls, Aston are among the world's most desired brands. Nobody anywhere wants a Cadillac or a Corvette.
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What American cars?
Most vehicles are based on global platforms and engines these days (Think Ford Ecoboost).
Also, I think you might be confusing British MPG with American MPG.
Finally, our emissions are higher because our engines are generally much more powerful - just like the Australians.
10US gallons = 8UK. That doesn't even begin to account for the disparity in the example I gave.
The Ford 2.5 engine puts out about 240g/km and has about 170bhp. The diesel equivelant with 170bhp is nearer 140g/km.
America is hooked on inefficient gas guzzlers. There is no performance benefit to be had.
None of this will change for so long as fuel is still cheap in the US. Hence manufacturers don't have an incentive to offer better choices, which was the OP's question.
Dear me, you are touchy aren't you. Like I said, I'm not going to reason with you because your opinions aren't based on reason.
I laid out specific factual claims that you didn't even bother to address.
If you think you're touching a nerve, you're not. Even Americans are willing to acknowledge when American cars suck. That's why we largely switched to Japanese makes and 2 of our 3 own major manufacturers went bankrupt. But that has nothing to do with the original claims you've made.
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Except nobody wants to eat the American pudding. British made cars are selling big time all over the world. JLR, Rolls, Aston are among the world's most desired brands. Nobody anywhere wants a Cadillac or a Corvette.
Dear me, you are touchy aren't you. JLR, Rolls, and Aston are niche brands, and basically also-rans in the niche they occupy (except maybe German-owned Rolls). Among normal brands that normal people buy, how are Rover and MG doing these days?
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Originally Posted by Stewart G. Griffin
10US gallons = 8UK. That doesn't even begin to account for the disparity in the example I gave.
The Ford 2.5 engine puts out about 240g/km and has about 170bhp. The diesel equivelant with 170bhp is nearer 140g/km.
America is hooked on inefficient gas guzzlers. There is no performance benefit to be had.
None of this will change for so long as fuel is still cheap in the US. Hence manufacturers don't have an incentive to offer better choices, which was the OP's question.
Again, you keep saying stupid stuff like "America is hooked on inefficient gas guzzlers" completely ignoring the significant fuel efficiency gains over the last few years.
The reason why very few diesel models are sold here has nothing to do with anyone being addicted to anything and everything to do with misguided government policy. You have no idea how hard auto makers are trying to bring diesel models online here. The barriers they're facing are not consumer-driven, they're government-driven.
British made cars are selling big time all over the world. JLR, Rolls, Aston are among the world's most desired brands. Nobody anywhere wants a Cadillac or a Corvette.
You're delusional. 1: No such thing as a British car anymore. The British automotive industry is a dead shell owned by a variety of multinationals including China, Germany, and Malaysia. And frankly, #2: Aston, Rolls, Lotus, and the like are NOT selling "big time" anywhere. They're all low-volume brands even compared to the more mainstream premium brands like Mazda and Buick, much less the world-striding leader brands Chevy and Toyota.
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America is hooked on inefficient gas guzzlers. There is no performance benefit to be had.
Clearly you are unaware of the large number of WRXs, EVOs, Mazdaspeeds, MINI JCWs, SIs, STs, and other lightweight speed machines that are sold in the good old U.S. of A. Then again, you've proven you don't know much about the American automotive culture or market outside of what you've made up in your head.
You're delusional. 1: No such thing as a British car anymore. The British automotive industry is a dead shell owned by a variety of multinationals including China, Germany, and Malaysia. And frankly, #2: Aston, Rolls, Lotus, and the like are NOT selling "big time" anywhere. They're all low-volume brands even compared to the more mainstream premium brands like Mazda and Buick, much less the world-striding leader brands Chevy and Toyota.
Clearly you are unaware of the large number of WRXs, EVOs, Mazdaspeeds, MINI JCWs, SIs, STs, and other lightweight speed machines that are sold in the good old U.S. of A. Then again, you've proven you don't know much about the American automotive culture or market outside of what you've made up in your head.
Even allowing for a multitude of different trims, there are far more engine offers, including the 1 Litre Ecoboost petrol in two states of tune, and a range of diesels.
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