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Old 07-06-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Baseball night game, ongoing concert and local events. Add in nightclubs.
I wish I could live to be old enough to see the driverless cars do all the parking.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:05 PM
 
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Busy intersection, all lights have gone off. 4 way stop procedure. Left turns, pedestrians, cyclists. Can driverless cars handle this?
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Busy intersection, all lights have gone off. 4 way stop procedure. Left turns, pedestrians, cyclists. Can driverless cars handle this?
They can easily handle the first two if inter-vehicle communication protocols are ironed out. If you watch car wreck videos on Youtube you know left turns are a big source of human error wrecks. Pedestrians, bike, animals are much more difficult to predict. So are falling trees.
"Watch for Falling Rocks"
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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I would imagine the same people that pay for the stop signs, traffic lights, line markings, bridges and the road themselves. In a world where all all cars are driverless all those stop signs, red lights and every other sign are instantly made obsolete and that money could go to funding a centralized sytem. That would be an inevitable outcome to fully utilize the benefits these cars can make. As I previously said if all cars are driverless it opens a huge window of opportunity, such a sytem would be able to manage traffic on streets and highways that could have traffic flowing in any direction... Just so it's clear such a centralized sytem would not be required, it simply extends the cars autonomous capabilities.

Never is a very long time. I support the use of coal , you will hear me say solar and wind will never replace coal but you'll won't hear me say we will never stop using coal. Technology marches on, as I suggested previously the timeline for this might be 50 years. That has nothing to do with perfecting the tech, it's simply logical that such a transition would take that long for practical reasons.
So you are expecting taxpayers to pay for an expensive computerized infrastructure for your self-driving cars? BTW, then they are no longer a SELF-driving car. Then it's a car controlled by a taxpayer paid for central computer system. Now you are acknowledging that these self-driving cars are not really going to be able to drive themselves, so taxpayers will have to come up with a solution. And if taxpayers in some locations don't want to pay for it, then these central computer controlled cars will be useless in those areas.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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When these cars can communicate with each other or a central control system they will know where every open parking spot is in the entire country.
How would driverless cars communicate with each other, and with the central control system? GPS? Cell phone towers? Wi-fi signals? Something else? Either way it sounds really complicated.

The way GPS currently works is; the satellite transmits a signal, the car receives signals from multiple satellites that allows it to triangulate your location on the earth. GPS satellites don't receive any signals back from your car or GPS-enabled device, it only transmits. So it can't be through GPS.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:52 PM
 
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I was thinking about this earlier. One day people will be like, "What, people used to drive cars?". You know, kind of like kids today with house phones, etc.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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How would driverless cars communicate with each other, and with the central control system? GPS? Cell phone towers? Wi-fi signals? Something else? Either way it sounds really complicated.

The way GPS currently works is; the satellite transmits a signal, the car receives signals from multiple satellites that allows it to triangulate your location on the earth. GPS satellites don't receive any signals back from your car or GPS-enabled device, it only transmits. So it can't be through GPS.
Complicated is the key word. It's a complicated solution to a non-issue. People have been driving cars for over a hundred years, without this technology. We don't need it. The only thing it will accomplish is to make a lot of money for the corporations that develop it, and it will never accomplish what people think it will.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:49 PM
 
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Complicated is the key word. It's a complicated solution to a non-issue. People have been driving cars for over a hundred years, without this technology. We don't need it. The only thing it will accomplish is to make a lot of money for the corporations that develop it, and it will never accomplish what people think it will.
Complicated, and likely super expensive to run and operate the central control systems. There would have to be hundreds if not thousands of such control centers all over the country, each manned and monitored by teams of human operators. We're talking tens of billions of dollars to build and operate. Besides the radar, lidar, etc. a special long range transmitter and receiver would have to be built into each driverless car to process the control signals.
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Southwest
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How would driverless cars communicate with each other, and with the central control system? GPS? Cell phone towers? Wi-fi signals? Something else? Either way it sounds really complicated.

The way GPS currently works is; the satellite transmits a signal, the car receives signals from multiple satellites that allows it to triangulate your location on the earth. GPS satellites don't receive any signals back from your car or GPS-enabled device, it only transmits. So it can't be through GPS.
V2V systems are already under development. These are basically short range systems that allow vehicles to notify each other of presence, speed and intent. They can also talk to traffic lights and through local nodes can interact with larger systems. They are clearly coming in the period around 2020.

They will be relatively cheap device and can eventually be widely retrofitted to existing cars.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:26 AM
 
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They will be relatively cheap device and can eventually be widely retrofitted to existing cars.
You already know the price for something that doesn't exist in the consumer market? Are you a psychic? How much is it?
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