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Old 06-07-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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Yea, the average age was 45 and people had no running water. Propose to your fellow Brits to live in the pre Industrial Revolution and see how far you get.
Gardaloo!

 
Old 06-07-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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"Tony Seba, author of "Clean Disruption" gives the keynote address at the California League of Cities Planning Commissioners Academy, March 28, 2014, on the coming disruption of transportation.

This video clip shows the horse manure crisis of the late 19th century. This crisis had eluded city planners who had run out of ideas. As long as they thought within the then-prevailing paradigm the future looked bleak. The horse manure crisis was ended by two then-disruptive technologies: the electric streetcar and the internal combustion engine automobile."



The automobile was a disruptive technology solving a crisis, but ended up creating another crisis, noise and filthy air. Modern batteries are a disruptive technology and when combined with electric automobiles is a disruptive technology.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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The silly thing about these threads is that they are always "all or nothing," with the question being, will EV's completely eliminate the internal combustion motor? No, of course not. Gasoline doesn't have 100% of the market either -- there's diesel, natural gas, propane, biofuel, ethanol, electric, hydrogen fuel cell, and so on.

Could EV's comprise 50% of the US fleet, with EV's being a majority of vehicles for urban commuters and ICE vehicles used in rural areas, construction and farm vehicles, etc.? Yes, that's a likely scenario, but not in two years. The tipping point will be reached when the total cost of operation of EV's is less than ICE vehicles, which will happen. You are going to see EV's with battery lifes of well over 100,000 miles and very high reliability (far fewer moving parts to break down) -- once word gets out that EV's are cheap to operate and they last forever, urban commuters will flock to them.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: NNV
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"Tony Seba, author of "Clean Disruption" gives the keynote address at the California League of Cities Planning Commissioners Academy, March 28, 2014, on the coming disruption of transportation.

This video clip shows the horse manure crisis of the late 19th century. This crisis had eluded city planners who had run out of ideas. As long as they thought within the then-prevailing paradigm the future looked bleak. The horse manure crisis was ended by two then-disruptive technologies: the electric streetcar and the internal combustion engine automobile."

The automobile was a disruptive technology solving a crisis, but ended up creating another crisis, noise and filthy air. Modern batteries are a disruptive technology and when combined with electric automobiles is a disruptive technology.
You're a disruptive person but you're not changing anything on this board...
 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:31 PM
 
Location: London
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You're a disruptive person but you're not changing anything on this board...
The disruption will come in the real world, not in the cyber world.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: London
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Yea, the average age was 45 and people had no running water. Propose to your fellow Brits to live in the pre Industrial Revolution and see how far you get.
The Brits created the industrial revolution. Oil came much later. Even today coal is major generator of electricity.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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The disruption will come in the real world, not in the cyber world.
Well you're hosed then. The cyber world is the only one that makes any sense to you.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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The Brits created the industrial revolution. Oil came much later. Even today coal is major generator of electricity.
So you're saying the Brits messed everything up. Way to go
 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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"Tony Seba, author of "Clean Disruption" gives the keynote address at the California League of Cities Planning Commissioners Academy, March 28, 2014, on the coming disruption of transportation.

This video clip shows the horse manure crisis of the late 19th century. This crisis had eluded city planners who had run out of ideas. As long as they thought within the then-prevailing paradigm the future looked bleak. The horse manure crisis was ended by two then-disruptive technologies: the electric streetcar and the internal combustion engine automobile."



The automobile was a disruptive technology solving a crisis, but ended up creating another crisis, noise and filthy air. Modern batteries are a disruptive technology and when combined with electric automobiles is a disruptive technology.
You don't see a difference do you? People didn't create cars to appease city planners and rid cities of horse manure, they created them because owning a horse is a giant hassle with no upside compared to a car. Owning a gas burning car however is not a giant hassle, as current market trends clearly indicate.


The difference between EVs and ICE's is not "horses vs cars" but more like "gas vs diesel".

Modern batteries are no different than the lithium batteries of 20 years ago. May be cheaper, but the same limitations remain.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by John-UK View Post
"Tony Seba, author of "Clean Disruption" gives the keynote address at the California League of Cities Planning Commissioners Academy, March 28, 2014, on the coming disruption of transportation.

This video clip shows the horse manure crisis of the late 19th century. This crisis had eluded city planners who had run out of ideas. As long as they thought within the then-prevailing paradigm the future looked bleak. The horse manure crisis was ended by two then-disruptive technologies: the electric streetcar and the internal combustion engine automobile."



The automobile was a disruptive technology solving a crisis, but ended up creating another crisis, noise and filthy air. Modern batteries are a disruptive technology and when combined with electric automobiles is a disruptive technology.
Just out of curiosity, do you think for yourself or does Tony Seba do that for you?

I notice you have no valid retort for anything I've posted. Is that because it's not in the video?
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