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Old 06-07-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: NNV
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The disruption will come in the real world, not in the cyber world.
So this is not real. Your threads are not real. Your posted YouTube videos are not real...

 
Old 06-07-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: London
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will EV's completely eliminate the internal combustion motor? No, of course not.
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Could EV's comprise 50% of the US fleet, with EV's being a majority of vehicles for urban commuters and ICE vehicles used in rural areas, construction and farm vehicles, etc.? Yes, that's a likely scenario, but not in two years. The tipping point .
Understand what the tipping point is. The video on the 1st post explains that. I can see fossil fuel still being used in power generation in some countries and in very large ships. Road vehicles? No. Once fuel is scarce and hence expensive, no one will use fossil fuel vehicles.

Cruise liners are looking at full electric ships for their short hop cruises say around the Caribbean and the Med. They charge up when in port. The Chinese already have a full electric cargo ships. Ironically it delivers coal to a power station. If a ship is crippled in mid ocean, they plan to have a small ship with a generator on board to get it moving. Much like the tender tankers we have today. But as battery technology improves there will be no problems as there will be ample storage of electricity.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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Understand what the tipping point is. The video on the 1st post explains that. I can see fossil fuel still being used in power generation in some countries and in very large ships. Road vehicles? No. Once fuel is scarce and hence expensive, no one will use fossil fuel vehicles.

Cruise liners are looking at full electric ships for their short hop cruises say around the Caribbean and the Med. They charge up when in port. The Chinese already have a full electric cargo ships. Ironically it delivers coal to a power station. If a ship is crippled in mid ocean, they plan to have a small ship with a generator on board to get it moving. Much like the tender tankers we have today. But as battery technology improves there will be no problems as there will be ample storage of electricity.
You will be long gone before fuel is scarce in the U.S.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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Understand what the tipping point is. The video on the 1st post explains that. I can see fossil fuel still being used in power generation in some countries and in very large ships. Road vehicles? No. Once fuel is scarce and hence expensive, no one will use fossil fuel vehicles.

Cruise liners are looking at full electric ships for their short hop cruises say around the Caribbean and the Med. They charge up when in port. The Chinese already have a full electric cargo ships. Ironically it delivers coal to a power station. If a ship is crippled in mid ocean, they plan to have a small ship with a generator on board to get it moving. Much like the tender tankers we have today. But as battery technology improves there will be no problems as there will be ample storage of electricity.
But fossil fuel is not scarce. The myth of a fossil fuel phase-out | Opinion | Eco-Business | Asia Pacific

Over a long enough time span, fossil fuels will become theoretically more expensive, however if you're goal is to prevent global warming, those two timelines will not add up as scarce oil will take place long after all the polar bears have already died. That is why 40 years after the energy crisis, we find ourselves swimming in cheap oil again. Otherwise EVs would need no subsidies, as they would create their own demand. If you have to subsidize something, then no true market actually exist.


Cruise liners are already electric. They are powered by massive fossil fuel powered generators that can consume 380 tonnes of fuel per day or more. And cruise ships keep getting bigger. They also burn multiple fuels. Once in international waters they switch to the cheaper more pollution generating heavy fuel oil because...well operators like to save a buck here and there. Damn free market economy!
 
Old 06-07-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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But fossil fuel is not scarce. The myth of a fossil fuel phase-out | Opinion | Eco-Business | Asia Pacific

Over a long enough time span, fossil fuels will become theoretically more expensive, however if you're goal is to prevent global warming, those two timelines will not add up as scarce oil will take place long after all the polar bears have already died. That is why 40 years after the energy crisis, we find ourselves swimming in cheap oil again. Otherwise EVs would need no subsidies, as they would create their own demand. If you have to subsidize something, then no true market actually exist.


Cruise liners are already electric. They are powered by massive fossil fuel powered generators that can consume 380 tonnes of fuel per day or more. And cruise ships keep getting bigger. They also burn multiple fuels. Once in international waters they switch to the cheaper more pollution generating heavy fuel oil because...well operators like to save a buck here and there. Damn free market economy!
And what about all of these coal fire generator plants that produce electricity to hookup your EV chargers another fossil fuel.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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And what about all of these coal fire generator plants that produce electricity to hookup your EV chargers another fossil fuel.
Our British buddy here thinks all those will be replaced with giant banks of batteries powered off of solar panels that cover the entire state of Arizona according to some YouTube video he found.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Our British buddy here thinks all those will be replaced with giant banks of batteries powered off of solar panels that cover the entire state of Arizona according to some YouTube video he found.
I want what he is smoking lol
 
Old 06-07-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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We are there technologically. That is why YOU will be driving one at some time. Get this obsession about poisoning the air out of your mind.
You're right, I'll probably be driving an EV at some point. But not any time soon. The convenience of the ICE is far greater than EV right now. And will be for the forseeable future.

You can post all the marketing videos you want for EVs, but people see what they see. A huge lack of convenience, a large initial investment, for not a significant return. Which is why, as someone else posted, EVs make up 1% of the market.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Modern civilisation did well before oil and motor vehicles. Oil is fine for the products that can be extracted, but burning oil and destroying millions of lungs? That is dumb. You are confused in thinking that getting rid of filthy fossil fuel burning is eliminating oil products.
Modern motor vehicles emit near zero lung-destroying products.

What would be more effective is to stop heating and cooling buildings large and small; stop dirty cargo ships from plying the seven seas; stop those smokey aeroplanes from flying around polluting the atmosphere. Yes we can!
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:15 PM
 
Location: London
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Our British buddy here thinks all those will be replaced with giant banks of batteries powered off of solar panels that cover the entire state of Arizona according to some YouTube video he found.
That is feasible in the USA.
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