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Old 01-19-2021, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Another state has followed California’s example in banning the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles. This time, it’s Massachusetts, and it’s aiming for a more electric-friendly state by 2035."

This is from Jalopnik. There is no paywall, anyone can read it. I'll be dead by then, but some of the younger enthusiasts out there might be affected.
In the meantime I just topped up the tank in our I-power generator because we were told no power all day Tuesday due to maintenance. We are in Northern California.
I support this and hope Arizona does similar.
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Old 02-16-2021, 07:26 AM
 
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At present - state governments get revenue from gas taxes (my state Pa is one of the highest per gallon).


What will the states "tax" if/when EV's outnumber gas vehicles.


Get ready for "pay by miles driven" tax scheme (Big Brother gets closer) that can be tallied and billed at annual inspections.


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Mass is banning NEW car sales.
There will be plenty of 2-3 yr old "Certified" Lease returns to choose from if you want a gasser.
Those that use the roads more should be paying more. I don`t see any "scheme" in getting people to pay for what they use. Big Brother?
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Amelia Island/Rhode Island
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Changes are coming in the future to make up lost tax revenue.

There are plenty of papers written to explore this:

https://digitalcommons.lasalle.edu/c...tics_capstones
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Old 02-16-2021, 03:41 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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With this news, the owners of dealerships in New Hampshire, Connecticut and Rhode Island are planning for their new Lamborghinis, swimming pools and boats with the increased business.
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:54 PM
 
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With this news, the owners of dealerships in New Hampshire, Connecticut and Rhode Island are planning for their new Lamborghinis, swimming pools and boats with the increased business.
As noted before, it won't happen. It will be handled like current sales of new cars from out of state. You can't register without paying sales tax and that will be extended to ICE vehicles.
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Old 02-16-2021, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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No electricity in Texas now Half of Oregon too.
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Old 02-17-2021, 05:39 AM
 
Location: western NY
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No electricity in Texas now Half of Oregon too.
Not to be overly sarcastic, as I sympathize with those folks, but how would they be getting around, if all they had were EVs?? And before you even say it, I'm fully aware that gas stations close down, when the electric power goes out. But if you know a potential storm is coming, you can fill your car with gas, and if your usage is prudent, you can have "wheels" for a LONG time.....a LOT longer than an EV would last.
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Old 02-17-2021, 07:23 AM
 
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Not to be overly sarcastic, as I sympathize with those folks, but how would they be getting around, if all they had were EVs?? And before you even say it, I'm fully aware that gas stations close down, when the electric power goes out. But if you know a potential storm is coming, you can fill your car with gas, and if your usage is prudent, you can have "wheels" for a LONG time.....a LOT longer than an EV would last.
They can "fill" their EV with electrons beforehand too.

Then they can use their car for heat while in garage, charging some things, and watching movies too

Next question.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:13 AM
 
Location: western NY
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They can "fill" their EV with electrons beforehand too.

Then they can use their car for heat while in garage, charging some things, and watching movies too

Next question.

For how long???



The absolute best I've seen for an EV, is 300-350 miles of driving, and other uses reduce that range considerably. My ICE vehicle will go 600+miles on a tank of gas........
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:57 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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For how long???



The absolute best I've seen for an EV, is 300-350 miles of driving, and other uses reduce that range considerably. My ICE vehicle will go 600+miles on a tank of gas........
~400 miles is tops right now with the long range Model S having an EPA rated 412 miles range. Lucid Air coming later this year supposedly rated at 517 miles and Tesla is aiming for 520+ miles for the Model S Plaid+ also later this year.

The question is how long will it take for that to trickle down to more affordable vehicles, and will it do so by 2035?

The highest rated range vehicle you could get in 2010 was for 73 miles. The highest rated range now is 412 miles. However, that vehicle is an expensive luxury vehicle. If you look at a vehicle that's less expensive and lower than the average price of a new vehicle sold in 2019/2020, then you have the Chevrolet Bolt at 259 miles range at $31,995 MSRP including destination charge and installation of a home charger or its crossover companion the Chevrolet Bolt EUV at 250 miles range at $33,995 MSRP with destination charge and installation of a home charger. That's a pretty dramatic 3.4x improvement over the course of a decade whereas the supposed ban is in 14 years. I don't reckon there's that much demand for a 3.4x improvement within a decade for range on 250 miles (so 4.7x improvement over 14 years?), and I'm not even sure if there's a huge body of people who strongly want 600+ miles of range on a single charge, but it's likely we'll see some EV with that within the next few years.

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