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That's just what I want to do, carry a big bulky, heavy battery around with me rather than have a gas car. How dumb can you get.
The batteries are actually built into the car and you leave it in the car at all times. You don't have to manually carry the battery around with you.
If that's not where your point of confusion is, and you're trying to talk about weight trade-offs, then the trade-off is basically the battery and motors versus the engine, exhaust system and fuel tank. The battery can be heavy, but the motors are generally a lot lighter than their equivalent engines. If you take a look at newer long range EVs, they generally have pretty similar weights to their closest ICE counterparts. For example, the 2021 BMW 330i weighs 3,582 pounds and Lexus ES250 weighs 3,780 pounds while the Model 3 SR+ weighs 3,552 pounds.
One thing you might be pleased to hear is that the battery is usually placed quite low and well-distributed within the floor so you have a low center of gravity and often at or near 50/50 weight distribution which are both great for handling. Meanwhile, the high efficiency of motors and the ability to do regenerative braking means the energy efficiency of these EVs is far, far greater than their ICE equivalents while often offering better performance.
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 06-24-2021 at 10:14 AM..
That's just what I want to do, carry a big bulky, heavy battery around with me rather than have a gas car. How dumb can you get.
The weight to power ratio of a non performance EV is pretty good compared to even a roadster.
3627 lbs / 283 hp = 12.82 lbs/hp Tesla Model 3 Standard Range +
3287 lbs / 255 hp = 12.89 lbs/hp BMW Z4
Another way to look at is 15.87 gallons of gasoline only weights 100 lbs but it produces 317 lbs of carbon dioxide when burned. So would you rather carry around hundreds of lbs of battery or would you rather dump hundreds of lbs of carbon dioxide into the air?
A century ago we were switching from electric cars to gas cars. Just sayin'.
That's not quite true. We were still in the midst of switching from horses to cars in general and by then within the car market gas cars were already dominant with the Model T having already been released in 1908 and selling well for a while as by 1914 Ford was producing more automobiles than all other US automakers combined and Ford certainly wasn't the only automotive maker in town. The big changeover for within the car market itself by this point in 1921 wasn't electric to gas as that had already mostly occurred about a decade or so prior, but was from open car to close / enclosed car.
A century ago we were switching from electric cars to gas cars. Just sayin'.
Yeah, like 1921 lead-acid battery technology has anything in common with 2021 technology.
I think my next car will be an EV but I’m going to hold off as long as possible to let Moore’s Law happen to battery prices, rapid charge time, and range. I see no advantage in being an early adopter.
Yeah, like 1921 lead-acid battery technology has anything in common with 2021 technology.
I think my next car will be an EV but I’m going to hold off as long as possible to let Moore’s Law happen to battery prices, rapid charge time, and range. I see no advantage in being an early adopter.
When do you plan on making your next vehicle purchase? Supposedly purchase price parity happens in the next few years, but I suspect it'll take a new generation of vehicle platforms to really take advantage of that.
Yeah, like 1921 lead-acid battery technology has anything in common with 2021 technology.
I think my next car will be an EV but I’m going to hold off as long as possible to let Moore’s Law happen to battery prices, rapid charge time, and range. I see no advantage in being an early adopter.
So you're saying that like computers and cell phones, the best time to buy an EV is a month after you've bought one??
Yeah, like 1921 lead-acid battery technology has anything in common with 2021 technology.
I think my next car will be an EV but I’m going to hold off as long as possible to let Moore’s Law happen to battery prices, rapid charge time, and range. I see no advantage in being an early adopter.
I think for the more expensive vehicles have reached the point where the EV is a better deal than the ICE.
2022 BMW i4 M50 : 536 hp and 586 lb-ft of torque | MSRP starting from $66,895
2021 BMW M3 : 503 hp and 479 lb-ft of torque | MSRP starting from $72,800
One person posted that his 2018 Tesla Model 3 cost him $56K in CA with taxes, but he got $8K back in taxes (federal and state). He sold the car after 30 months and 35K miles for $42K meaning his outlay was $6K for 30 months. Most people lose that much (including taxes) on a car that costs half as much. The tax credits are a lot.
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