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Yep, Norway is a lot more serious about transitioning to EVs than Massachusetts is though a bit of what you listed is off or at least incomplete. Much of what makes EVs appealing is flipping what in most countries is a price differential among similar makes of vehicles towards ICE vehicles to make it into a price differential towards EVs. However, what looks likely to happen is that battery improvements and economies of scale are going to tilt things strongly towards EVs on price comparisons without incentives over the course of this decade. Supposedly battery prices for price per kWh are on track to reach what is expected to be the price parity point for EVs within the next three to four years if not earlier. Norway essentially making that happen sooner though they will likely eventually be easing up on the incentives.
Which is exactly what Norway did - they took away the taxes on EV's and allowed them special access to services. Buyers of high end vehicles could get a model S for less money.
By 2035 I expect we will have something entirely different. It is time for something new. We changed from horses to cars over 100 years ago. What is next? No one has any idea. Just as no one imagined the car wave 15 years before it started.
By 2035 I expect we will have something entirely different. It is time for something new. We changed from horses to cars over 100 years ago. What is next? No one has any idea. Just as no one imagined the car wave 15 years before it started.
What's wrong about environmentally-friendly buggies?
They even had autopilots centuries ago.
Which is exactly what Norway did - they took away the taxes on EV's and allowed them special access to services. Buyers of high end vehicles could get a model S for less money.
Yep, Norway essentially swung the upfront purchase price the other way through incentives. Today and even more so in the past, EVs for most market segments were more expensive than their ICE counterparts. This isn't an order of magnitude of difference, but it is significant percentage. The incentives have then swung things the other way. Supposedly when average battery prices get down to about $100/kWh, EVs will reach price parity across most segments and that's most recently projected to happen in the next few years, so essentially what Norway did was pull forward that price parity via incentives by a few years and arguably pulled forward several years to the point where EVs compared to ICE vehicles in similar segments are actually somewhat cheaper in many instances.
This is still pretty early on and before there's been truly widespread deployment of fast chargers and vehicles with the ability to charge at faster clips (the fastest charging EV charges at 250kW and there are now stations capable of handling 350kW, but the vast majority of EVs charge slower than that). I think that's somewhat indicative of what will happen to the market in the next several years in the US when EVs without incentives are cheaper than their ICE counterparts upfront alongside being cheaper for maintenance and operations among other advantages and meanwhile the speed of fast charging and preponderance of fast charging will have been even more improved.
That being said, I'm less in favor of outright bans. I think something like a fee with a 50 mpg or mpge for PHEVs and EVs combined rating as a benchmark and levying a $100 dollars for each mpg/mpge lower than that mark on a new vehicle sales transaction would be preferable with the money raised that way going towards mass transit and localized renewable energy production and grid improvements. For example, a new vehicle that has a combined EPA fuel efficiency rating of 25 mpg then goes through (50 - 25) * $100 = $2,500 additional fee on top of its purchase price.
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What's wrong about environmentally-friendly buggies?
They even had autopilots centuries ago.
They're also vehicles that have powertrains that make replicate by themselves! That was actually one of the large selling points for when people were railing against the introduction of cars. Seriously, does your powertrain go off and make more powertrains?
Another state has followed California’s example in banning the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles. This time, it’s Massachusetts, and it’s aiming for a more electric-friendly state by 2035."
This is from Jalopnik. There is no paywall, anyone can read it. I'll be dead by then, but some of the younger enthusiasts out there might be affected.
In the meantime I just topped up the tank in our I-power generator because we were told no power all day Tuesday due to maintenance. We are in Northern California.
Sounds like people are going to be buying a lot of used cars in Mass.
Yeah, US adoption will be slow especially if it goes state to state like this.
But Germany and Japan banning them will have a big impact. With VW saying this upcoming generation will be the last internal combustion. Will automakers based in countries with bans continue to invest in design of new ICE vehicles for export only? That will eventually cascade to the domestics too. The writing is already on the wall. Don't expect it to completely die off in our lifetimes, but rather go the way of the manual transmission with a gradual decline.
I think once most people have had the displeasure of owning an electric car it will be the end of the electric car.
if electric cars were better that's all there would be.
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