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Old 03-27-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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Looks like they found the plane's crash location. The amount of debris showing up in sat pics is starting to be overwhelming evidence.
Any links available yet?
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Old 03-27-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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I wonder if they are able to take the various images from the satellites from France, China, Japan, etc. and chart all of them over an area of ocean, to paint a bigger picture?
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:19 PM
 
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over 300 "shiny" pieces claim to be seen. All searches called off today because of terrible weather and zero visibility.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Yes it must change. No it was not ridiculous. You have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. At some point you have to trust some employees and recording the whole flight is essentially saying you do not trust your pilots. If we are at the point of no longer trusting the pilot, I would much rather see them put something in to prevent a pilot from commandeering a flight rather than simply telling me after the fact what happened.
No, it's not distrust, it's a vital tool for potential accident analysis. There have been numerous crashes and the cockpit recorder is always a key component in figuring out what went wrong so that it can be prevented in the future.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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They tested their theory on planes that they did know the location of.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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Looks like they found the plane's crash location. The amount of debris showing up in sat pics is starting to be overwhelming evidence.
The amount of debris in sat pics is not a shred of evidence in this case until some piece of it is identified as positively belonging to this flight.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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No, it's not distrust, it's a vital tool for potential accident analysis. There have been numerous crashes and the cockpit recorder is always a key component in figuring out what went wrong so that it can be prevented in the future.
I'm a proponent of continuous recording myself, to include video cameras in the cockpit, but I also realize that this is a very unique situation. Most planes, when they crash, don't take longer than two hours to get to the ground. I believe going back two hours was primarily thought of as a way to listen for maybe some strange noise the crews hadn't heard or to correlate the crews' actions with what showed up on the flight recorders. To have a six or seven hour flight AFTER things seemingly went wrong, is really a nice little hole that was exposed. And, that's what I've been saying for a while now... In all of these investigations, you keep finding holes.

Don't forget, millions of flights fly every year and billions of flights have flown throughout history. If there's a 1 in 100 million chance of something happening, aviation has a great way of rooting it out. Sometimes the remote possibilities of these things happening seems so unlikely until you read the investigation and just go "Man... If they'd have just done this or if only that...." Hindsight is always 20/20 in scenarios like this. And, yeah, the regulating agencies and the airline corporations are constantly finding some sort of middle ground between safety and cost effectiveness.

Don't forget... This is a Malaysian airline... Not a US carrier. Generally speaking, large aircraft like a 777 that can fly to the US or Europe will maintain FAA or JAA standards. But, if for whatever reason Malaysia Airlines decided to only dedicate that airplane to a flight between Malaysia and China, it only had to really meet the standards of the Malaysians and Chinese. I'm not saying the aircraft was maintained to Malaysian and/or Chinese standards, I'm just pointing out that international carriers don't necessarily have to abide by FAA and JAA regulations. So, the FAA can mandate all day long that planes have to have video cameras, 3D holomorphic re-enactments of the flight crews, and live satellite uplinks of their pucker factors, but if an international carrier decides they'd rather not spend the money on all that, they don't necessarily have to.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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Any links available yet?
Watching overseas news channels. They seem to be much quicker than US media outlets.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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The amount of debris in sat pics is not a shred of evidence in this case until some piece of it is identified as positively belonging to this flight.
Sure it is, like any evidence that comes in pieces until no question is left.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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They tested their theory on planes that they did know the location of.
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Cite.
It's been mentioned in most of the news articles about it. Here's one:

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The forward-and-back Doppler shift was so subtle that Inmarsat's analysts had to double-check it by comparing data from other 777 jets that traveled similar routes. They also checked the data that the Malaysian jet sent back before it disappeared. "It all agreed," Zweck said.

For more of the technical nitty-gritty, check out this statement from Malaysia's acting transport minister, or Zweck's UT-Dallas website.
And from that link to the statement from Malaysia's transport minister:

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"In order to establish confidence in its theory, Inmarsat checked its predictions using information obtained from six other B777 aircraft flying on the same day in various directions. There was good agreement.
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