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In Rev 5:13 the word which has been translated as 'singing' in some translations is legontas and is not 'singing', but rather is 'saying'. Legontas - Strong's number G3004.
For the various NASB word usages for Legontas click on the following link...
As for the Greek word exomologeó, it is from ek and homologeo and means to acknowledge or (by implication, of assent) agree fully -- confess, profess, promise.
Even in the definitions which you provided, the first definition was simply 'to confess'. Not all the different definitions apply in a given situation.
Unbelievers will simply acknowledge or confess that Jesus is Lord. They will not to so joyfully as believers do. They will make the acknowledgement in fear as a defeated enemy of the Lord of the universe.
Hi mike ... I wonder why you did not answer Legoman's question ... I may have missed it ...
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NASB Luke 2:10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people
NIV Luke 2:10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.
NLT Luke 2:10 but the angel reassured them. “Don’t be afraid!” he said. “I bring you good news that will bring great joy to all people.
Do you believe the good news will bring great joy to all people Mike?
Wrong, the scriptures teach that Faith hope and love will remain even after God is all in all.
Faith will always remain, and there is never a time when faith is not applicable. If you will maintain that faith is only applicable before death, then please quote the scripture that says as much?
Wrong, the scriptures say that no one can confess that Christ is lord without the holy spirit.
1Cr 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit
shalom.
Faith is the direct opposite of sight in the context of the scriptures.
2 Corinthians 5:7 - (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Heb 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Sight is defined as all the evidence been presented and seen. For example, the unbeliever believes in the Big Bang and does not believe that the world was created by God. The Lord will supernaturally show the account of His creation. The unbeliever does not believe that there is a flood that destroyed the world during Noah’s time, the Lord will supernaturally show the evidence. Everything that the unbeliever does not believe in the scriptures will be refuted by evidence presented by the Lord God.
All evidence will be shown and the scriptures proof to be true beyond the shadow of a doubt supernaturally to the unbeliever by the Lord God. This is term as SIGHT.
Why is there a need for faith when all the evidence is there that what the Lord say is true? When Lord Jesus says He is the Son of God and the Almighty God, a person can see it is true with his own eyes, why should there be a need for faith?
Do not confuse yourself from the dictionary definition of faith from the definition of faith in the scriptures. Neither be confuse by the meaning of sight from what is define in the dictionary by what the Holy Spirit meant it to be in the holy scriptures.
Kneel and confess that Jesus is Lord by faith on earth – the Lord is pleased and He gives the gift of salvation.
Kneel and confess that Jesus is Lord after death at the Great White Throne by SIGHT – The Lord God is not pleased and does not forgive or save the unbeliever. For without faith, it is impossible to please God. The unbeliever will thus be sent to the Lake of Fire. For the wages of sin is death.
Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
As stated before, the unsanctified unbeliever’s body is unclean and full of female sanitary napkin (bloody, dirty, smelly) as describe by Isaiah 64; 6. - But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags.
And since the unbeliever is so full of bloody, dirty, smelly sanitary napkin, every gift that he offers is also stained by menstrual blood.
Do not profane the holy name of the Holy Spirit by suggesting that the Holy Spirit will enter the unbeliever’s body at the Great White Throne to help them confess that Jesus is Lord.
The Lord God Jehovah CANNOT ACCEPT unholy/profane unbelievers into His Holy Temple because the unsanctified unbeliever’s body is unclean and full of female sanitary napkin (bloody, dirty, smelly) and also it is written:-
Lev 20:26 - And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Rev 21:27 - And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
When faith ends, the Lord Jesus will show you by SIGHT with all the evidence that UR is a lie from Satan.
Kneel and confess that Jesus is Lord by faith on earth – the Lord is pleased and He gives the gift of salvation.
Kneel and confess that Jesus is Lord after death at the Great White Throne by SIGHT – The Lord God is not pleased and does not forgive or save the unbeliever. For without faith, it is impossible to please God. The unbeliever will thus be sent to the Lake of Fire. For the wages of sin is death.
When faith ends, the Lord Jesus will show you by SIGHT with all the evidence that UR is a lie from Satan.
NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that one cannot be saved after death. That is an assumption on the part of ETer's. Every knee will bow and every tongue WILL confess......and those unbelievers will believe. UR does not teach that there will not be consequences for the unbeliever, but we know that those consequences are NOT an eternal fiery fate. Unbelievers will be refined by God's spiritual fire so that they CAN please God and be with him. UR is not the lie from Satan.....ET is.
Faith is the direct opposite of sight in the context of the scriptures.
2 Corinthians 5:7 - (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Heb 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Sight is defined as all the evidence been presented and seen. For example, the unbeliever believes in the Big Bang and does not believe that the world was created by God. The Lord will supernaturally show the account of His creation. The unbeliever does not believe that there is a flood that destroyed the world during Noah’s time, the Lord will supernaturally show the evidence. Everything that the unbeliever does not believe in the scriptures will be refuted by evidence presented by the Lord God.
All evidence will be shown and the scriptures proof to be true beyond the shadow of a doubt supernaturally to the unbeliever by the Lord God. This is term as SIGHT.
Why is there a need for faith when all the evidence is there that what the Lord say is true? When Lord Jesus says He is the Son of God and the Almighty God, a person can see it is true with his own eyes, why should there be a need for faith?
Do not confuse yourself from the dictionary definition of faith from the definition of faith in the scriptures. Neither be confuse by the meaning of sight from what is define in the dictionary by what the Holy Spirit meant it to be in the holy scriptures.
Kneel and confess that Jesus is Lord by faith on earth – the Lord is pleased and He gives the gift of salvation.
Kneel and confess that Jesus is Lord after death at the Great White Throne by SIGHT – The Lord God is not pleased and does not forgive or save the unbeliever. For without faith, it is impossible to please God. The unbeliever will thus be sent to the Lake of Fire. For the wages of sin is death.
Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
As stated before, the unsanctified unbeliever’s body is unclean and full of female sanitary napkin (bloody, dirty, smelly) as describe by Isaiah 64; 6. - But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags.
And since the unbeliever is so full of bloody, dirty, smelly sanitary napkin, every gift that he offers is also stained by menstrual blood.
Do not profane the holy name of the Holy Spirit by suggesting that the Holy Spirit will enter the unbeliever’s body at the Great White Throne to help them confess that Jesus is Lord.
The Lord God Jehovah CANNOT ACCEPT unholy/profane unbelievers into His Holy Temple because the unsanctified unbeliever’s body is unclean and full of female sanitary napkin (bloody, dirty, smelly) and also it is written:-
Lev 20:26 - And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Rev 21:27 - And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
When faith ends, the Lord Jesus will show you by SIGHT with all the evidence that UR is a lie from Satan.
So basically you are saying all the apostles are in hell and damned for ever, especially Paul and Thomas ... Right? Because they saw and did not need to have faith. Right? I mean if you need to have faith without ever seeing proof that Jesus is resurrected from the dead in order to be saved, everyone who saw Jesus resurrected cannot be saved. And that must certainly also be true for Adam and eve and Elijah and Moses and Abraham and Enoch and all the prophets to whom God spoke ... Yeah your premise just doesn't hold up, thank God.
Also concerning your premise that you cannot have seen or experienced God personally and have faith at the same time, then what about Abraham to whom God spoke and whom the angel of the lord visited? Abraham lived by faith, yet Abraham spoke with God and saw his angel.
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 08-20-2010 at 09:46 AM..
Hi mike ... I wonder why you did not answer Legoman's question ... I may have missed it ...
I didn't see the question.
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Will you answer the question please?
Thank you ...
The Gospel is the joyful news, and it is the joyful news which is for all the people. The passage is not saying that all people are going to be joyful because of the news. Obviously, all who reject the Gospel are not joyful in the hearing of it. They don't even believe it.
1 Corinthians 1:18 'For the word of the cross ( the good news of the Gospel) is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God'....21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 '...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8] dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus.
John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
The wrath of God is the expression of God's justice directed toward those who violate the righteousness of God. God's wrath is manifested toward those who reject His offer of salvation in eternal separation from Him (which means no relationship with God for al eternity) in the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41,46)
NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that one cannot be saved after death. That is an assumption on the part of ETer's. Every knee will bow and every tongue WILL confess......and those unbelievers will believe. UR does not teach that there will not be consequences for the unbeliever, but we know that those consequences are NOT an eternal fiery fate. Unbelievers will be refined by God's spiritual fire so that they CAN please God and be with him. UR is not the lie from Satan.....ET is.
Ilene,
Who has convinced you that this is a lie:
"God's solid foundation stands firm." 2 Timothy 2:19
Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness
the wicked
all evildoers
and whoever listens to him
will be destroyed forever
"The Lord knows those who are his,
doesn't say "all will be his"
confession must be before death for wickedness to be discharged Ecclesiastes 8:8
Proverbs 21:28"A false witness will perish, and whoever listens to him will be destroyed forever."
Psalm 92:7
"that though the wicked spring up like grass and all evildoers flourish, they will be forever destroyed."
Ecclesiastes 8:8 "No man has power over the wind to contain it; so no one has power over the day of his death. As no one is discharged in time of war, so wickedness will not release those who practice it."
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
Last edited by twin.spin; 08-20-2010 at 10:28 AM..
The Gospel is the joyful news, and it is the joyful news which is for all the people. The passage is not saying that all people are going to be joyful because of the news. Obviously, all who reject the Gospel are not joyful in the hearing of it. They don't even believe it.
1 Corinthians 1:18 'For the word of the cross ( the good news of the Gospel) is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God'....21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 '...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8] dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus.
John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
The wrath of God is the expression of God's justice directed toward those who violate the righteousness of God. God's wrath is manifested toward those who reject His offer of salvation in eternal separation from Him (which means no relationship with God for al eternity) in the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41,46)
So really the angel should have said that it is good news for a few families, or a few people, and bad news for most of humanity ....
That darned angel was playing with words wasn't he, just like Paul and Jesus ... They are just pretending that Jesus is the savior of the world, when in fact he is the destroyer of the world.
According to your teachings God and Christ are liars and hatemongers who do not love their enemies or overcome evil with Good but instead they return infinite evil for finite evil, and are the most violent beings in the universe infinitely worse than any man who has ever existed, or they are simply failures. Because the scriptures teach God will have all men to be saved, and you say it is impossible for him to do so.
Your version of God is a weak, violent, hateful and spiteful ego maniac ...
The violent heart worships a violent God.
Selah ...
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 08-20-2010 at 02:50 PM..
NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that one cannot be saved after death. That is an assumption on the part of ETer's. Every knee will bow and every tongue WILL confess......and those unbelievers will believe. UR does not teach that there will not be consequences for the unbeliever, but we know that those consequences are NOT an eternal fiery fate. Unbelievers will be refined by God's spiritual fire so that they CAN please God and be with him. UR is not the lie from Satan.....ET is.
The assumption is on UR's part. Nowhere in the Bible does any of the authors ever entertain that one can be saved after death. The focus is ALWAYS in this life. Too much inference from too many people. You people really need a dose of reality. The only salvation after death is commended is for Israel only.
That's it.
The assumption is on UR's part. Nowhere in the Bible does any of the authors ever entertain that one can be saved after death. The focus is ALWAYS in this life. Too much inference from too many people. You people really need a dose of reality. The only salvation after death is commended is for Israel only.
That's it.
Like I said before, the assumption is on the part of the ETer's. The Bible CLEARLY DOES NOT say salvation is limited to this life....it is the ETer's who are saying it is limited to this life. It's actually more than an assumption, it's a lie. The Bible DOES NOT teach this.
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