Philippians 2:10,11 Every Tongue Will Acknowledge That Jesus is Lord. But Many as His Defeated Enemy. Not out of Love. (verse, prophecy)
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Those unbelievers who acknowledge that Jesus is Lord when they stand before Him in judgment will not be saved by that acknowledgement. The recognition of Jesus' Lordship is something that all will come to realize. It is not the same as receiving Christ as Savior which can only be done while during this life. As Matthew 7:21-23 states with absolute crystal clarity, ''Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of heaven.' All unbelievers who acknowledge the Lordship of Christ when they stand before Him in jugdment will be ordered by Him to depart from Him into the lake of fire (Matthew 7:21-23 compared with Matthew 25:41,46).
You are simply making an argument with words that do not apply to the Confession of JESUS AS LORD.
I never said, and scripture does not say , that just saying "LORD LORD" is trustworthy.
It simply is ALWAYS TRUSTWORTHY TO CONFESS JESUS AS LORD. That is not the same as the account of LORD LORD, that account specifies the conditions and it does not qualify that the act is TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.
Trying to argue for the position that Confessing Jesus as Lord as you do simply is based on a premise that I can not truly find a confidence in that act.
Since it is a trustworthy thing to do, there is nothing that makes it untrustworthy.
The premise in Philippians is that it is TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER, qualifying it as a trustworthy act.
The only people that would say "lord, lord" would be believers, Mike. You know very well that there will be many "believers" who say they served God but really only served the system.
Those who DO HIS WILL and all........
Wrong. There will be many who merely profess to be believers but never did place their faith in Christ for salvation. As Matthew 7:21-23 plainly states, those people who say Lord, Lord had done things in His name, but are nonetheless declared by Jesus to be lawless. He will then order them away from His presence. They will depart into the eternal fire as per Matthew 25:41,46.
ALL creation will acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the sovereign Lord of the universe. Unbelievers and fallen angels will do so not out of love but out of simple undisputable evidence when they stand before Him in Judgment. The fallen angels already know that Christ is Lord. They already know that they are going to spend eternity in the lake of fire. Unbelievers standing before Jesus Christ at the Great White throne judgment will have already spent x amount of time in torments in hades, and will have been resurrected to stand at the Great White Throne where they will simply acknowlege before going into their final eternal residency in the lake of fire, that Jesus Christ is Lord.
You are simply making an argument with words that do not apply to the Confession of JESUS AS LORD.
I never said, and scripture does not say , that just saying "LORD LORD" is trustworthy.
It simply is ALWAYS TRUSTWORTHY TO CONFESS JESUS AS LORD. That is not the same as the account of LORD LORD, that account specifies the conditions and it does not qualify that the act is TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.
Trying to argue for the position that Confessing Jesus as Lord as you do simply is based on a premise that I can not truly find a confidence in that act.
Since it is a trustworthy thing to do, there is nothing that makes it untrustworthy.
The premise in Philippians is that it is TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER, qualifying it as a trustworthy act.
And what you refuse to accept is that after death it is too late to be saved. You have already been given scripture, I think twice now, on this thread that the unbelievers fate is sealed at the moment of his death.
All creation will acknowledge that Christ is Lord. But the unbeliever will do so as the defeated enemy of Christ.
And what you refuse to accept is that after death it is too late to be saved. You have already been given scripture, I think twice now, on this thread that the unbelievers fate is sealed at the moment of his death.
Your point is that of a person who has ran out of arguments against a solid fact and try to make it about me. It is not about my refusal to accept something that you believe to be the truth. It is also not how many times you wish to think you have shown something.
It is about the failure to prove that it is EVER untrustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord to the Glory of God the Father.
You have not and never will make the case that it is untrustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord.
The scriptures you post as well your thread title use commentary that the scriptures do not contain. Your thread title misrepresents how the scripture reads, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it.
Your point is that of a person who has ran out of arguments against a solid fact and try to make it about me. It is not about my refusal to accept something that you believe to be the truth. It is also not how many times you wish to think you have shown something.
It is about the failure to prove that it is EVER untrustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord to the Glory of God the Father.
You have not and never will make the case that it is untrustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord.
The scriptures you post as well your thread title use commentary that the scriptures do not contain. Your thread title misrepresents how the scripture reads, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it.
You have no solid facts to present. Again, you have already been given scripture twice now that proves that the one who dies without Christ is eternally lost.
Nor has this been made about you.
Confessing that Christ is Lord is not the same as receiving Him as Savior. Christ can only be received as Savior in this life. But there will come a time when all creation will acknowledge the Lordship of Christ. That will not save anyone.
As Luke 16: 19-30 show, there are no second chances after death.
You have no solid facts to present. Again, you have already been given scripture twice now that proves that the one who dies without Christ is eternally lost.
Nor has this been made about you.
Confessing that Christ is Lord is not the same as receiving Him as Savior. Christ can only be received as Savior in this life. But there will come a time when all creation will acknowledge the Lordship of Christ. That will not save anyone.
As Luke 16: 19-30 show, there are no second chances after death.
Your opinion is noted, but it is always trustworthy to confess Jesus as Lord, the arguments against that are using inferences that are not in scripture. You post a scripture and assert that it must mean that, just like your thread title.
When I read philippians in any translation I do not read it like you have written in your thread title, so there is no reason to consider your opinioon because your thread title proves the basis by which you assert the scriptures are to mean.
You are entitled to intepret scripture however you see fit, but to say that you have prioven something scipturally sound and clear is false.
It is always trustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord and there is no scriptural premise that causes me to doubt the glory of Jesus Christ as Saviour of the World.
That defies the meaning of the word "exomologeō" ... You seek to redefine the term, as do all those whom you referenced in your last post. That does not change the fact that you and they are ABSOLUTELY wrong ...
The fact is "exomologeō" does not and absolutely cannot mean forced confession or a confession made under duress ... The greek is very specific, and in the case of this word, the meaning is specifically a willing and open confession of thanks and a joyful celebration and agreement/promise in blessing or praise.
Again the Greek language shows the error of fundamentalist interpretations of the scriptures as always ...
For all those who want to know what Philippians 2:10&11 really is saying ...
Psa 22:27
All the ends of the earth shall remember, and shall be converted to the Lord: And all the kindreds of the Gentiles shall adore in his sight
and ...
Psa 66:4
All the earth do bow to Thee, They sing praise to Thee, they praise Thy name.' Selah.
Psa 68:32
Kingdoms of the earth, sing ye to God, Praise ye the Lord. Selah.
Psa 98:4
Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
Isa 26:19
Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise. You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For your dew is a dew of light, and the earth will give birth to the dead.
Isa 49:13
Let your voice be loud in song, O heavens; and be glad, O earth; make sounds of joy, O mountains, for the Lord has given comfort to his people, and will have mercy on his crushed ones
Jer 31:12
They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion; they will rejoice in the bounty of the LORD--the grain, the new wine and the oil, the young of the flocks and herds. They will be like a well-watered garden, and they will sorrow no more.
Mikes twisted interpretation contradicts the scriptures ... The truth is all the earth and everything in it and the heavens and all that is in them and all that is beneath will turn to the lord and sing his name and worship him with joyous praises and will glorify his name.
These passages do not in any way support universal salvation. They do not refer to those who are 'under the earth' which refers to those who are lost.
Things in heaven(fallen angels),things in earth(those who are living at any given time), things under the earth(those who have died) ...
Rev 5:13
and every creature that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, 'To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lamb, is the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might -- to the ages of the ages!'
Again we see that mike contradicts the scriptures, as we see here things under the earth praising God and worshiping him and giving him all the honor and glory ...
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Psalms 22:27 deals with the Millennial kingdom that Christ will establish upon the earth when He returns at His second advent. But there will be many who reject Christ as Savior during the Millennium. Revelation 20:7-10.
Psalms 22:27 says that all the earth will turn and worship the lord, Yet mike says that this refers to the millennial reign and that even then all people will not turn and worship God. Who will you believe mike or the scriptures?
And there is no mention of the millennium in this chapter at all ...
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The above 3 passages all relate to the Millennium and have nothing to do with universal salvation.
Again no mention of any millennium ...
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Isa 26:19 is a reference to the resurrection of those who are saved. In contrast, Daniel 12:2 speaks of the resurrection of some to eternal life and others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 'And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. The unbeliever whose soul is in hades will be resurrected to stand before the Great White Throne for final sentencing to the lake of fire where he will reside for eternity (Revelation 20:11-15).
No stipulation is made concerning those who are saved in Isa 26:10 ... This is a general prophecy concerning the resurrection of the dead. More adding to the scriptures ...
Daniel speaks of owlam shame ... This refers to the shame these people will feel in the presence of the lamb knowing they had rejected them in their lives. It has nothing to do with Eternal Torment. And it says nothing about them suffering or being tortured.
There are two resurrections, the resurrection of those who had aionios life while living, and those who did not have aionios life, the resurrection of those who lived a life of shame. Those who are resurrected in the second resurrection will hold themselves in contempt for the life they lived. Thy will burn with shame and contempt when they are in the presence of the lamb.
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Those who are lost are not God's people. His afflicted refers to His people. To those who are born again. It refers to the regenerate of Israel.
Those who are lost become Gods people when he finds them, that is why Christ said that he came to seek and to save the lost. Again Mike is saying either Christ was a liar or a failure, that he will not or cannot find and save the lost.
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Whereas Jeremaiah chapter 30 concerned the tribulation and Israel's delverance, Chapter 31 deals with Israel during the Milennium.
Again no mention of any millennium, and yes Israel is here being referred to, the nation of Israel, who though they are enemies of the gospel, will never the less be saved.
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Those who are on the earth are distinquished from those who are under the earth which refers to the lost. The passages listed above have absolutely nothing to do with those who are lost.
Those who are earth are distinguished from those who are under the earth, those who are on earth are those living, those under the earth are those who have died. Christ came to save the lost, again mike is saying either Christ is a liar or a failure.
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And every single one of those passages can easily be researched concerning what they mean and what they refer to.
If you need to believe the traditions of man because you cannot understand the scriptures for yourself, by the guidance of the holy spirit and much study, you will be led astray, for the traditions of man make the word of God to no avail. Just like mike who teaches that Christ is a liar and a failure ... And who teaches that evil will have a greater victory over creation than Good, and that sin and death and the works of Satan will have greater victory over creation than Christs work on the cross, and who teaches that the power of the devil to deceive is greater than the power of God to save.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow/kampto
, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess/exomologeo
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Those who believe in UR do not have to add to these scriptures.
Those who believe in ET and annihilation do.
They have to add
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow/kampto some in worship and some by force.
This is playing with words in a most shameful fashion. For they state kampto means worship and force in one sentence. To the Christian Kampto means worship and to those who know not God kampto means forced to fall down.
But nothing in those scriptures imply such a thing.
Either kampto means forced to fall down or it means worship, it CANNOT have two different meanings applied to it in ONE SENTENCE.
And the same goes for the word exomologeo. It CANNOT mean TWO different things in ONE SENTENCE.
Talk about making scripture out to fit with one doctrine instead of making ones doctrine fit the scriptures.
No matter what anyone says kampto means, scripture defines it ALWAYS as worship and NO ONE here has denied this fact, for every scriptural usage of the word deals with worship.
So any who argue otherwise simply do not believe what the scriptures say about kampto.
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