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Ironmaw1776,
Though you're correct there is no millennium rule on earth, doesn't mean that every tongue will acknowledge that Jesus is Lord is doing so out of confession of faith, rather those on the left will do so acknowledge that Jesus is Lord as a matter of fact. That fact brings glory to God, not salvation to the unbeliever.
Ironmaw1776,
Though you're correct there is no millennium rule on earth, doesn't mean that every tongue will acknowledge that Jesus is Lord is doing so out of confession of faith, rather those on the left will do so acknowledge that Jesus is Lord as a matter of fact. That fact brings glory to God, not salvation to the unbeliever.
That argument cannot be made when you use all the words that are in the scripture that is listed in the thread title.
This is why "explanations" of the verses omit or add words when doing so and the thread title demonstrates this
And what you refuse to accept is that after death it is too late to be saved. You have already been given scripture, I think twice now, on this thread that the unbelievers fate is sealed at the moment of his death.
All creation will acknowledge that Christ is Lord. But the unbeliever will do so as the defeated enemy of Christ.
We refuse to accept that because the scriptures do not teach it, in fact they teach the very opposite. The traditions of man teach that, not the scriptures. No one has ever provided a single scripture that says that one cannot be saved after they die, not even a single scripture. Complete and absolute eisigesis ...
Ironmaw1776,
Though you're correct there is no millennium rule on earth, doesn't mean that every tongue will acknowledge that Jesus is Lord is doing so out of confession of faith, rather those on the left will do so acknowledge that Jesus is Lord as a matter of fact. That fact brings glory to God, not salvation to the unbeliever.
I never said there would be no millennium. I said that there was no mention of the millennium in any of the verses i quoted or even in the chapters they are to be found.
Rom 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
This says nothing about confessing before you die, it simply says that if you confess you will be saved. And one day everyone will confess and believe. You are adding to the scriptures when you say one must confess and believe before the die in order to be saved, as is proven by the fact that no one has ever provided a single verse stating that you must confess and believe before you die in order to be saved. People just make stuff up in order to defend the false traditions of men they have been taught.
You have no solid facts to present. Again, you have already been given scripture twice now that proves that the one who dies without Christ is eternally lost.
Nor has this been made about you.
Confessing that Christ is Lord is not the same as receiving Him as Savior. Christ can only be received as Savior in this life. But there will come a time when all creation will acknowledge the Lordship of Christ. That will not save anyone.
As Luke 16: 19-30 show, there are no second chances after death.
That is a lie, you have not presented one scripture that says one will be eternally lost if they do not believe before they die, or anything remotely similar to that. You are adding to the scriptures, eisigesis ...
And the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is just that, a parable, and it is symbolic, not to be taken literally. Even if it were not symbolic, no where in the parable does Jesus say that the rich man would be in Hades for ever, nor does Christ say that he cannot be saved at a later time if he comes to confess Christ as lord and believe his was raised from the dead. Again you are adding to the scriptures, as well as misunderstanding what they mean altogether.
Phil 2:10 is a reference to a past event - Christ's resurrection and ascension as recipient of the kingdom- Dan 7:14
Rom 14:10 deals with judgement of the righteous. Each one hekastos means each believer, unbelievers are not the context, only those of the faith, separately will stand at the Bema Seat. There is no escaping this judgment. Notice for example even Paul does not give himself a pass on this judgment "of us".
Isa 45:23 deals with the resurrection and justification of Israel only.
Again, the universalist implies and infers that these verses are regulated to the wicked as well as the righteous, however, in failure of applying the simplistic contextual themes therein, they render themselves to grave and serious error in interpretation and fall short of the prophecies of God.
These verses only deal with those that have confesed their faith in either God, His ordinances and laws, or under the grace and resurrection of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.
That is a lie, you have not presented one scripture that says one will be eternally lost if they do not believe before they die, or anything remotely similar to that. You are adding to the scriptures, eisigesis ...
Eisegesis is your profession.
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And the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is just that, a parable, and it is symbolic, not to be taken literally. Even if it were not symbolic, no where in the parable does Jesus say that the rich man would be in Hades for ever, nor does Christ say that he cannot be saved at a later time if he comes to confess Christ as lord and believe his was raised from the dead. Again you are adding to the scriptures, as well as misunderstanding what they mean altogether.
The parables are symbols of reality, and the rich man is burning in hell in this parable, a real and unforgiving place. Just as Gehenna is a symbol of the Lake of Fire, drawn from the real place in the valley of Himmon, it is likened to that of a real destination for the wicked. Following your interpretation, Christ is either a lamb or Jesus Christ, and not both.
For us, that believe the scriptures, He is both Lamb and Lord.
Your opinion is noted, but it is always trustworthy to confess Jesus as Lord, the arguments against that are using inferences that are not in scripture. You post a scripture and assert that it must mean that, just like your thread title.
When I read philippians in any translation I do not read it like you have written in your thread title, so there is no reason to consider your opinioon because your thread title proves the basis by which you assert the scriptures are to mean.
You are entitled to intepret scripture however you see fit, but to say that you have prioven something scipturally sound and clear is false.
It is always trustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord and there is no scriptural premise that causes me to doubt the glory of Jesus Christ as Saviour of the World.
Show me the passage, chapter and verse where it says the phrase ''It is always trustworthy to Confess Jesus as Lord.'' To help you locate it if it exists, here is an online Thesaurus. BibleThesaurus.org: Online Bible Thesaurus Now show me the chapter and verse where this phrase is found.
The argument 'well that just your interpretation' is empty and meaningless. Scripture in many ways states that those who die without Christ are eternally lost. There is no room for misinterpretation. Scripture states that both fallen angels and unsaved mankind will spend eternity in the lake of fire. There is no mistranslation involved, nor is it subject to misinterpretation. It came from the mouth of Jesus Himself that He would order those who are lost into the eternal fire.
Phil 2:10 is a reference to a past event - Christ's resurrection and ascension as recipient of the kingdom- Dan 7:14
Rom 14:10 deals with judgement of the righteous. Each one hekastos means each believer, unbelievers are not the context, only those of the faith, separately will stand at the Bema Seat. There is no escaping this judgment. Notice for example even Paul does not give himself a pass on this judgment "of us".
Isa 45:23 deals with the resurrection and justification of Israel only.
Again, the universalist implies and infers that these verses are regulated to the wicked as well as the righteous, however, in failure of applying the simplistic contextual themes therein, they render themselves to grave and serious error in interpretation and fall short of the prophecies of God.
These verses only deal with those that have confesed their faith in either God, His ordinances and laws, or under the grace and resurrection of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.
The parables are symbols of reality, and the rich man is burning in hell in this parable, a real and unforgiving place. Just as Gehenna is a symbol of the Lake of Fire, drawn from the real place in the valley of Himmon, it is likened to that of a real destination for the wicked. Following your interpretation, Christ is either a lamb or Jesus Christ, and not both.
For us, that believe the scriptures, He is both Lamb and Lord.
The parable of the rich man and lazarus is a parable and a prophecy of Israel(the rich man who has 12 brothers who is dress in the colors of the levitical priesthood), lazarus is covered in sores and is being licked by dogs(a symbol of the gentile nations) ... The parable was Jesus prophesying that Israel would be cut off and the gentile nations would take their place in the bosom of Abraham(receiving the blessings that were once only given to Israel) ...
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