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Old 02-18-2012, 03:55 AM
 
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All right...Where in the Scriptures does it state that the Satan knows his own end?...
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
Revelation 12:12 NIV
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Old 02-18-2012, 05:52 AM
 
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All right...Where in the Scriptures does it state that the Satan knows his own end?...
Satan knows the scriptures quite well. He knows exactly where he is going.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:12 AM
 
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"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
Revelation 12:12 NIV
Originally Posted by Ilene Wright
You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?


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Rev 12:12 Because of this, be glad, the heavens and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the ones dwelling on the earth, and in the sea, because the devil came down to you having great anger, knowing that he has a little time!

All it states is that he knows that he has a little time, it does not state that he knows full well the plan of Yehovaw Elohim Yawyaw for him...This is an assumtion...Just because he knows that he has a little time does not mean that he knows the plans of Yehovaw...
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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Satan knows the scriptures quite well. He knows exactly where he is going.
Where does it state that he knows the scriptures quite well?...
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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All right...Where in the Scriptures does it state that the Satan knows his own end?...
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Where does it state that he knows the scriptures quite well?...
Not only does he quote (Matt, Luke ) the bible, he twists an spins the verses to distort their meaning.

One of satan's best weapons against believers is the bible because it is easy to distort the truth by taking verses out of context and mix them up with lies and half truths in order to present a false message.

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Old 02-18-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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Where does it state that he knows the scriptures quite well?...
It doesn't.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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It doesn't.
'It doesn't'

Not sure if it does or not...

But one can only assume, if angels are higher than us in life order, and if we can read, why couldn't they...not only that but I'm sure their intellect is far superior than ours, they've been around a lot longer than us, and look at us like insects...

So I'm sure if we can read scripture, they can too...
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?
A better question is "Why does God allow Satan to run wild through creation when he is supposed to be in hell being punished?"
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Calvin: Do you believe in the Devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?

Hobbes: I'm not sure man needs the help.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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Not only does he quote (Matt, Luke ) the bible, he twists an spins the verses to distort their meaning.

One of satan's best weapons against believers is the bible because it is easy to distort the truth by taking verses out of context and mix them up with lies and half truths in order to present a false message.
Why does Satan need to do that? Seems to me that humans are quite adept at that themselves.
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Calvin: Do you believe in the Devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?

Hobbes: I'm not sure man needs the help.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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Well, Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they side with his rebellious attitude. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Possibly, they may believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right, leading all the other students in the class to lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.
This is what we are witnessing today, similar to what the teacher did. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. [Job 38:37; Daniel 7:10] How God handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has God done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s influence.
The teacher in the illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, God knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jerimiah 10: 23.

WHY SO LONG?

But why, though, has God allowed suffering to go on for so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in the illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly, consider two things that God has determined not to do. First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of human history, mankind worldwide, has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule no matter what philosophy, political party or doctrine or persons we would chose to lead us, has now been shown to be a failure.
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