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Old 07-02-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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He is referrencing Isaiah 14, but I don't know what translation. Christians are always quoting the modern translations that have so much error that it aint even funny. You read some of those modern translations, and you may as well give up because they will change the entire meaning of what was being said by the prophet who said it. Modern Translations will ruin and change what is most important. I could give many examples of parables being ruined, but that is in the New Testament, and the old is no different, things written in metaphor and symbolism completely lose their meanings from translating the most basic words.
We don’t have that problem in the Tanakh...
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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The same reason bullies keep going around terrorizing people smaller until a tough little guy beats him up
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:03 AM
 
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The same reason bullies keep going around terrorizing people smaller until a tough little guy beats him up
Ahhh. The classic Christian bullying atheist story.

Classic
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Old 07-12-2019, 07:07 PM
 
Location: California USA
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You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?
We can take a queue from human history. For example, Adolf Hitler is responsible for the murder of millions, widespread devastation and misery. Yet, even when it was overwhelmingly clear his and the Third Reich's fate was sealed he didn't stop. Now take that arrogance, pride, evil, selfishness, wrap it up in a spirit being, Satan, and although it's difficult to comprehend the irrational behavior we do understand that it does occur and there doesn't need to be an unrevealed reason for it. Just my opinion.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:14 PM
 
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You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?
Satan, the devil, doesn't know he is the devil. Nor do his followers know they follow him.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:30 PM
 
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We can take a queue from human history. For example, Adolf Hitler is responsible for the murder of millions, widespread devastation and misery. Yet, even when it was overwhelmingly clear his and the Third Reich's fate was sealed he didn't stop. Now take that arrogance, pride, evil, selfishness, wrap it up in a spirit being, Satan, and although it's difficult to comprehend the irrational behavior we do understand that it does occur and there doesn't need to be an unrevealed reason for it. Just my opinion.
Hitler committed suicide inside one of his bunkers when he knew he had been beaten. A few other Nazis did the same thing, some tried, but failed too.


But then again, you cannot really compare satans position with any humans, satan was said to be the greatest of all the angels, he was the most intelligent as well.


Looking at everything that happens with Satan/God 'post-fall', its clear to me, satan did not rebel at all, he is simply doing what he was created for, the story of the 'fall' is just that...a story...probably for our benefit, so we can understand the larger picture.


If satan TRULY rebelled against God, he would have NO part in anything that may benefit Gods grand plan either.


I cannot name the exact verse, but the one that says Satan will be chained in the pit for 1000 years, but then he must be let loose again, for a short time....here again, if he TRULY rebelled against God, why must he be released again for a short time, this implies he serves some purpose, something that Gods plan relies on ultimately.


Another verse, where God and satan meet, and God asks him, where have you been, satan replies, that he has been coming and going from the earth. (this one is easy enough I dont have to spell it out, is clear satan is not Gods adversary).
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?
For the same reason atheists today deny God's existence, even though they know in their hearts he does. The power of sin.
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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For the same reason atheists today deny God's existence, even though they know in their hearts he does. The power of sin.
Interesting, as sin seems to have an effect on your state of mind?
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?
He's playing the more exciting game with the biggest number of players. Guess he just doesn't see the losing for the winning.
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Old 09-21-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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You know that's something I've always wondered about.....why does Satan, knowing full well God's plan for him in the end, continue to wreak havoc and evil? Does he know something that we don't? Any thoughts?
Satan knows that Jehovah God is powerful and yes, you're right he knows what God has plan for him in the end. HOWEVER, Satan doesn't care about us, so he wants everybody to go down with him and wants to cause fear and pain upon us. The bible said, "Keep your senses, be watchful! Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone" (1 Peter 5:8), and the bible also stated, "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him (Revelation 12:9). We have to take these scriptures into our hearts and listen to God's warnings and fight with God against Satan and his temptations.
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