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Old 09-07-2010, 05:24 AM
 
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what exactly did killing everyone (except 8 people) on earth in a supposed global flood accomplish? Isn't the world and its people pretty much the same as it was before this alleged global flood?
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Old 09-07-2010, 05:32 AM
 
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And did not the biblical god have the foreknowledge to know it (the flood) was not going to solve anything to keep him happy?
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Old 09-07-2010, 06:06 AM
 
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Well, there you go with that logical thinking, again. Always, when we get to this point, we get the "We cannot begin to understand the wisdom and mystery of God."
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Old 09-07-2010, 06:10 AM
 
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well,maybe we're all a l'il bit shorter,seeing as the ones killed were giants. (I like to humor you insane )
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Old 09-07-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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But you see, when critics point out that stories such as a flood are nothing more than embellished myths, details added (god, big water, whole earth, mankind wicked beyond imagination) they are rebuked for not taking it literally or seriously. Well, when you think it about it and the way the world continues, the judgment was clearly an effort in futility and mankind is till going about their business as they always have, right?.
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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to some extent,insane,but I believe it was the nephalim who were extincted by the great flood? so it seems it was important to wipe them out.story has it that fallen angels were mating with 'those whom they choose'.IOW-they were raping women,and producing some kind of race that was not entirely human.
so for the human race to continue,they had to be wiped out.that does not mean that evil would not continue;God is sovereign and He knew it would.evil has a purpose in it's own,it seems.(that's why were here,to experience it all??).it's just that evil would not continue in that present state or form.
I would point out..since we weren't there...we can't really all,or the reason(s) behind it.perhaps it would have,down the line,affected Noah and his family,which is the lineage of Jesus.God had to prevent that.That certainly would not have meshed with His plans!
I hope this makes sense;it's not something I care to debate,that's just what I get out of it.Others may see something else,believers or not.I won't argue with your POV though,or attempt to prove you wrong.You are entitled your opinion.
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:47 PM
 
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Isn't the world and its people pretty much the same as it was before this alleged global flood?
"and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually".

The improvement is that now it's just "most imaginations much of the time"
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Old 09-07-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Hi InsaneInTheMembrane,

Of course God must have perfect foreknowledge and knows exactly what He was doing - Otherwise we are not talking about a god - we are talking about a bumbling idiot. Unfortunately some of the traditional teachings of orthodoxy paint God in that light.

Whether the biblical account of the flood is talking about the flooding of the whole literal earth or just a localized area can be debated - biblical cases can be made for both points of view (it comes down to translation and meaning of a few words ie. "land" and "earth" meaning "the whole planet" or just "the ground", etc.) - I don't want to get into that.

Certainly God was making a point that the people who died in the flood were wicked so God destroyed them. Was this something God didn't see coming? His creation went where He didn't want it to and He was forced to "start over from scratch"? I don't think so. We are told in Gen 6 it "grieved" God to do this, but this doesn't imply God's hand was forced as some suggest. God didn't suddenly change his plan of creation because things weren't going so well.

Its also not like you say that God was somehow trying to "clean-up" the earth only to have it all go wrong again within a few generations.

The problem is people view the old testament as purely literal without gleaming the spiritual meaning from it. The OT (actually the whole bible) is largely a description in the physical of what God is doing within us as an individual. It is a shadow (physical) of what is to come (spiritual). First the physical, then the spiritual.

There is much symbolism that can be learned from the global flood concept - waters completely covering over the earth - we are told the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth like waters cover the sea. Jesus blood covers over the sins of the whole world. But of course there is the death from the flood - Jesus died on the cross for our sin. The wages of sin is death. And our old man (the sin nature - the beast) must die within each of this. The flood is representing the destruction of the sin nature. But the other side to the story is the resurrection. Jesus died for our sins, we must die to sin - yet there is a resurrection for all. Jesus will make all alive.

There are constant themes of death and rebirth, sin/forgiveness, reaping what we sow, etc. These things are necessary and must happen so we will LEARN. You have to look at the big picture.


To suggest that God failed at trying to clean-up His own creation that went wrong (apparently against His will) is missing the big picture.
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Old 09-07-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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Yes, I think Jesus and the flood are very similar. They are suppose to be a renewal. But if your god is perfect, why did he create such imperfect people to begin with? And why send his son to die on a cross? It doesn't make sense. Why go through all of that? If god was omnipotent he would simply make perfect people, anyway. Why was he "grieved" by his mistake? Just get rid of the free will stuff and start over. If he is omniscient, then didn't he see this coming? So why would he create these pesky, sinning people to begin with? Because he thinks we are a "hoot?" Or because he isn't as perfect as we think he is?
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:06 PM
 
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George Carlin said it better than I ever could: In any decently-run universe this guy would have been out on his all-powerful arse along time ago.
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