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Christ was in human form and humans are temporal creatures, they die. Could Christ have prevented his premature death? Probably - but to curse the Roman empire for 2000 years and counting took the power of personal sacrifice. There may have been other things that motivated Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were somewhat interested, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then the UR Peter said unto them, not anything. You are already saved and there is no need to accept or believe in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye already have the gift of the Holy Ghost.
While God's bible says:
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Choose ye whom you shall believe. God or the UR's
As usual . . .You have not accurately or honestly portrayed the UR position. We use the same bible and verses that you do . . . but we interpret them differently. Every verse you cite about belief in Christ uses "pisteuō eis" despite its mistranslation to give the impression that "believe in" is meant. The phrase "believe in the name" of Jesus Christ is mistranslated and used to propagate a magical belief in His name. The phrase "believe in the name" is "pisteuō eis onoma." The word onoma means everything which a name covers . . . every thought or feeling which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, or remembering, the name. In short, the phrase means "the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul by every thought or feeling which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, or remembering, the name of Jesus. That is also what being baptised in His name actually refers to . . . NOT some magical ritual. Everything that His name conjures up in our minds (when we KNOW the "mind of Christ") is what transforms our thoughts, feelings and actions. Believing in the name of Christ has everything to do with "What Would Jesus Think" (WWJT) . . . and nothing to do with believing any dogma or doctrines about the magical power of His name as a formula for salvation. It is Christ's teaching and example that matter and His commands to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't that are crucial to our sanctification under His grace. It is His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) that enables us to have His guidance (Comforter) within our consciousness.
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of Christ preaching to the spirits of those who were disobedient just before the Flood and who were then "in prison?"
Probably to make it perfectly clear just how wrong they were when they shrugged off Noah's warning. Imagine the disappointment they had when they saw Jesus turn his back on them, walking out of hell with the keys.
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of Christ preaching to the spirits of those who were disobedient just before the Flood and who were then "in prison?"
Those disobedient fallen spirits or angels [ 1st Peter 3 v 19; 2nd Peter 2 vs 4,5; Jude 6 ] in prison [ tartarus ] would then know that Jesus had died faithful and that God had resurrected Jesus back to live again, so they then knew [ put on notice, so to speak ] that they would face an adverse judgment.- Rev. 21 v 8
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of Christ preaching to the spirits of those who were disobedient just before the Flood and who were then "in prison?"
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Probably to make it perfectly clear just how wrong they were when they shrugged off Noah's warning. Imagine the disappointment they had when they saw Jesus turn his back on them, walking out of hell with the keys.
The churches should have long ago outgrown the childish vengeful attitudes revealed in this post . . . reveling in "finally seeing them get what they deserve." Christ would never turn His back on them nor would He leave them. He is with us always and His love never fails us. We may have to reap whatever we have sowed . . . but we will not be alone or abandoned.
Probably to make it perfectly clear just how wrong they were when they shrugged off Noah's warning. Imagine the disappointment they had when they saw Jesus turn his back on them, walking out of hell with the keys.
The whole of Jesus' life he set people free(in all manner of ways ), so much so that one of the gospel writers said all that Jesus did could not be contained in all the books in the world. Why is it that the Jesus you believe in is doing the opposite in your mind ?. Where do you get this idea that he turns into someone worse than the worst, man as ever known and rather than opening the prisons people live in,he locks them in ?.
Just out of curiosity, what was the purpose of Christ preaching to the spirits of those who were disobedient just before the Flood and who were then "in prison?"
He didn't preach to them. He proclaimed to them. Two entirely different Greek words.
He was letting them know that He is suzerain of the universe.
Probably to make it perfectly clear just how wrong they were when they shrugged off Noah's warning. Imagine the disappointment they had when they saw Jesus turn his back on them, walking out of hell with the keys.
Wow, did it ever make it clear how wrong they were.
However, please notice after God resurrected Jesus out of the Bible's hell [Hebrew: sheol ] [ Acts 2 vs 31,32; 13 vs 30,37 ]
that Jesus never returned to hell. Those disobedient angels were never in biblical hell.
They are in 'Tartarus' [Not the mythology Tartarus], but the Tartarus of Jude verse 6.
They are held or jailed, so to speak, under chains of dense darkness, dark spiritual darkness.
The KJV use of the English word 'hell' at 2nd Pt. 2 v 4 is Not from the Hebrew word sheol, nor from the Greek hades.
The Greek word 'Tartarus' was translated into KJV English as hell.
Jesus receives the keys to unlock hell [ Rev. 1 v 18 ] after Jesus arrives in heaven.
The churches should have long ago outgrown the childish vengeful attitudes revealed in this post . . . reveling in "finally seeing them get what they deserve." Christ would never turn His back on them nor would He leave them. He is with us always and His love never fails us. We may have to reap whatever we have sowed . . . but we will not be alone or abandoned.
Yet, scripture is crystal clear that not all will be saved.
Even disobedient angels are not saved just as Satan is not saved but will be destroyed by Jesus.- Hebrews 2 v 14 B
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