Will former Christians that became Atheists go to heaven? (Christ, blood, creation)
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I would say a hardened heart is the heart that can accept the erroneous idea that the Creator is sending some or most of his beloved children into "eternal suffering"... because they did not "believe" the right thing, in the "allotted" time that they were here on earth.
A hardened heart is merely a heart that is protecting itself.
I would say a hardened heart is the heart that can accept the erroneous idea that the Creator is sending some or most of his beloved children into "eternal suffering"... because they did not "believe" the right thing, in the "allotted" time that they were here on earth.
A hardened heart is merely a heart that is protecting itself.
You must not believe in the New Covenant, Cyber . . . because with the advent of Christ God has said He has "written in our hearts" and we have Christ who abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to the truth that is there. Do you believe that or do you still believe the Old Covenant when the heart was not to be trusted and we only had the words "written in ink"??
So what do you think of Jesus who said "For out of the heart come evil thoughts--murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander"?
So what do you think of Jesus who said "For out of the heart come evil thoughts--murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander"?
Matt 15:19 is explaining that what defiles a man is what comes out of his mouth not what goes in or the cleanliness of his hands. At this time Jesus was still with us in body and had not died and been reborn as Spirit. He was not available to us as the Comforter within our consciousness to guide us to the truth that God would "write in our hearts" after His crucifixion and return at Pentecost instituting the New Covenant.
You must not believe in the New Covenant, Cyber . . . because with the advent of Christ God has said He has "written in our hearts" and we have Christ who abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to the truth that is there. Do you believe that or do you still believe the Old Covenant when the heart was not to be trusted and we only had the words "written in ink"??
No, Mystic, I don't believe in the god you believe and worship !
I've witness in listening and reading by what comes out of you and your group the god you all listen too in what he has "written in your hearts," this god is nothing like the God of all creation. Just by the way you all treat, speak to others (your neighbor) here in this forum I know with all my heart it is not the God Jesus has revealed to the world, as there is no fruit of the Spirit whatsoever in what is being said or done to others ! Regardless what others believe, what church, whatever !
If one truly knew the love of God as you all proclaim, the agape love, that love would be in the attitude of the heart toward ALL ppl. Yet, what we witness that comes out of the mouth, heart is so unkind and such words and attitude posted and acted upon is not in the action nor the vocabulary of God's love, as love knows no such behavior and definitely does no harm to its neighbor physically, emotionally and spiritually, no matter who they are ! !
No, I want nothing to do with the god you all seem to believe in and worship !
I love with all my♥the God Jesus has introduced my life too . He's the greatest thing that has ever happen in my life !
Matt 15:19 is explaining that what defiles a man is what comes out of his mouth not what goes in or the cleanliness of his hands. At this time Jesus was still with us in body and had not died and been reborn as Spirit. He was not available to us as the Comforter within our consciousness to guide us to the truth that God would "write in our hearts" after His crucifixion and return at Pentecost instituting the New Covenant.
So you are saying we cannot go by what Jesus said?
Jesus was not "reborn as spirit" but His body was resurrected and ascended into heaven and the Spirit (not Jesus Himself) was sent to us.
The New Covenant was instituted by the shed blood of Jesus and not the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
No, Mystic, I don't believe in the god you believe and worship !
I've witness in listening and reading by what comes out of you and your group the god you all listen too in what he has "written in your hearts," this god is nothing like the God of all creation. Just by the way you all treat, speak to others (your neighbor) here in this forum I know with all my heart it is not the God Jesus has revealed to the world, as there is no fruit of the Spirit whatsoever in what is being said or done to others ! Regardless what others believe, what church, whatever !
If one truly knew the love of God as you all proclaim, the agape love, that love would be in the attitude of the heart toward ALL ppl. Yet, what we witness that comes out of the mouth, heart is so unkind and such words and attitude posted and acted upon is not in the action nor the vocabulary of God's love, as love knows no such behavior and definitely does no harm to its neighbor physically, emotionally and spiritually, no matter who they are ! !
No, I want nothing to do with the god you all seem to believe in and worship !
I love with all my♥the God Jesus has introduced my life too . He's the greatest thing that has ever happen in my life !
Hi Cyber Munchkin,
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No, I want nothing to do with the god you all seem to believe in and worship !
1. "you all" is a bit vague. Who exactly are you addressing? Are you putting me in this group? (If so, I would like to have examples of what you are seeing in how I treat and speak to others here on the forum. What exactly do you find objectionable?) Accusations without evidence is a bit tough to address in a post.
2. Why do you say: "this god is nothing like the God of all creation". (What I bolded above in your post.) What are the differences?
Matt 15:19 is explaining that what defiles a man is what comes out of his mouth not what goes in or the cleanliness of his hands. At this time Jesus was still with us in body and had not died and been reborn as Spirit. He was not available to us as the Comforter within our consciousness to guide us to the truth that God would "write in our hearts" after His crucifixion and return at Pentecost instituting the New Covenant.
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So you are saying we cannot go by what Jesus said?
Of course not. I just explained what Jesus said and what He was actually talking about. He was NOT denying the New Covenant wherein God has "written in our hearts."
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Originally Posted by Faith_Plus_Nothing
Jesus was not "reborn as spirit" but His body was resurrected and ascended into heaven and the Spirit (not Jesus Himself) was sent to us.
I will not debate the carnal-minded focus on physical bodies in this thread. No one gets a physical body after death. It is a spiritual body and that is what Christ was "resurrected to." As a Spirit His human consciousness made His Holy Spirit available to us all within our consciousness as the Comforter. The reason God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ONE is because they are all the SAME consciousness . . . that is why to know the "mind of God" (consciousness) we have the "mind of Christ" (consciousness).
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Originally Posted by Faith_Plus_Nothing
The New Covenant was instituted by the shed blood of Jesus and not the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
It is the entire sequence of events that instituted the New Covenant.
2 Paul 2 has your answer for you and isn't as highly interpretive as other verses. It is actually worse than if they were never saved at all than to choose to voluntarily reject. Remember, Jesus tells even some that perform miracles and profess knowing Jesus that he knows them not and they shall be cast away. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”[g] and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.
I believe none are lost. What i would ask the atheist that was formerly a christian, when you was a bible believing christian, what did being born again mean to you?, i am sure being saved meant being saved from eternal hell.
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