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Old 11-13-2015, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Really? You don't know? You have to ask?

The secret to a sinless life is to refrain from sinning.
Are you able to do that?
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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This is the crux of the matter:

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I think it boils down to the "I'm a good person, I don't sin" argument where people are offended by the suggestion they need a savior to forgive their sins. Lot of us have been on that path.
It's not so much that some Christians want to tear anyone down to size (I hope) as much as genuinely being under the delusion that if a person believes that they have a relationship with God and/or they don't feel a need for a "mediator/sacrifice" to save them from God's wrath, they are in danger of hell-fire and eternal damnation. It is very concerning for them, from that perspective, for anyone to claim not to be a miserable sinner deserving of eternal torment because in their minds it is the equivalent of thumbing one's nose at God's supposed "plan of salvation".
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Are you able to do that?
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy." It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego."

He continued, "The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."


Hope this narrative helps, but you seem to miss the meaning within various stories.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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Are you able to do that?
Of course. I am able, because I am an adult and not a 7-year old with an undeveloped brain, to control my actions and refrain from sinning.

Are you not able to control what you do? Do you think watching porn is a sin? Then don't watch porn. Do you think cussing is a sin? Then don't cuss. Do you think eating too much is a sin? Then don't stuff food into your face.

Life is a series of choices. Make better choices if you are sinning.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Of course. I am able, because I am an adult and not a 7-year old with an undeveloped brain, to control my actions and refrain from sinning.

Are you not able to control what you do? Do you think watching porn is a sin? Then don't watch porn. Do you think cussing is a sin? Then don't cuss. Do you think eating too much is a sin? Then don't stuff food into your face.

Life is a series of choices. Make better choices if you are sinning.
If you're a smoker, just quit, right? If you're an alcoholic, just quit drinking. Be an adult!

It's not that easy. An alcoholic is always an alcoholic. A sinner is always a sinner. Hopefully, recovering.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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Dear Finn,

The question is why you cannot go one hour without sinning. Awww.

I am concerned for you. You cannot go one hour without sinning? That must be a big problem for you. I am sorry you cannot avoid sin even for one hour.

I am appreciating my relationship with God more, and more with your every post. I did not realize how difficult it is not to sin for you.

Love,
Ronk

Sorry but the tone of your posts and others on this thread are borderline bullying. Isn't that a sin?
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Old 11-13-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Putting on my shrink hat for a minute: It's been my experience that fundamentalists in general have low self-esteem and a poor self image. They believe they were born with a sin stain and have just been adding to it ever since.

In order to feel a smidge better about themselves, they quickly adopt the notion that non-fundamentalists are even worse sinners than they are.

And they are very, very reluctant - as we see on this thread - to accept the fact that non-fundies can be not only less sinful but a darn sight happier with themselves and the world around them.
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Old 11-13-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Putting on my shrink hat for a minute: It's been my experience that fundamentalists in general have low self-esteem and a poor self image. They believe they were born with a sin stain and have just been adding to it every since.

In order to feel a smidge better about themselves, they quickly adopt the notion that non-fundamentalists are even worse sinners than they are.

And they are very, very reluctant - as we see on this thread - to accept the fact that non-fundies can be not only less sinful but a darn sight happier with themselves and the world around them.
No one claimed anyone is a "worse" sinner, but rather that we ALL miss the mark.
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Old 11-13-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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If you're a smoker, just quit, right? If you're an alcoholic, just quit drinking. Be an adult!

It's not that easy. An alcoholic is always an alcoholic. A sinner is always a sinner. Hopefully, recovering.
You are making excuses for yourself.

Alcoholism is a disease. The cure is to remain alcohol free. We do not call alcoholics sinners. We call them to account when their drinking is harming the community, and their families. We do not call disease a sin. There is lots of help, and even some medications if you need to go the Clockwork Orange route. You are in control of every drink you take.


If you are driving while drinking? You are accountable for breaking the law and causing harm. You have a disease that should keep you out of your car when you drink. You are still responsible for your actions when you drink.

Nicotine is addicting, and yes, you can quit. Just like that. The good thing is there is real help for quitting. Patches, medications, hypnosis, and meditation. Smoking is not a sin.

There are solutions to sins, too. You have to stop, cold turkey. What ever it takes. Once you stop it will no doubt become habit. Apparently it is a one hour at a time thing according to Finn. What ever it takes, jimmie.
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Old 11-13-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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Putting on my shrink hat for a minute: It's been my experience that fundamentalists in general have low self-esteem and a poor self image. They believe they were born with a sin stain and have just been adding to it ever since.

In order to feel a smidge better about themselves, they quickly adopt the notion that non-fundamentalists are even worse sinners than they are.

And they are very, very reluctant - as we see on this thread - to accept the fact that non-fundies can be not only less sinful but a darn sight happier with themselves and the world around them.
How do you know what others think or is this just a guess? Quoting bible passages is not wrong. It may make some uncomfortable but bible passages are good if you think the bible is a good book to follow.
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