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I gave you the scripture to show you people choose for themselves. God doesn't cast them, you are the one who is saying that He does !!! Now show me where He says that He's going to do as you say He is ?
Of course I'm not saying that ... I don't believe any such thing, so why would I try to show you where God is saying God will throw people into hell, when it's not true? There is no such thing as eternal hell, Cyber.
Like I said, I was asking a question of someone who DOES believe that the only way God could protect you bible believers from being abused was to throw everyone else in to eternal flames.
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16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
Of course I'm not saying that ... I don't believe any such thing, so why would I try to show you where God is saying God will throw people into hell, when it's not true? There is no such thing as eternal hell, Cyber.
Like I said, I was asking a question of someone who DOES believe that the only way God could protect you bible believers from being abused was to throw everyone else in to eternal flames.
You must believe it, because you keep saying it !!!! The evidence is up there ^^^^ in the bold !
There is a hell, pleroo, no matter how much you keep denying it, it is real !! My suggestion is you better think that one through once again !!!!
You must believe it, because you keep saying it !!!! The evidence is up there ^^^^ in the bold !
Huh? You bold one section of a sentence where I said I don't believe such a thing is true (and that I was asking a question of someone who does), to show that I believe it IS true?
That's twisted.
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There is a hell, pleroo, no matter how much you keep denying it, it is real !! My suggestion is you better think that one through once again !!!!
There is LOVE, Cyber, and no fear of threats of a mythical hell resides within LOVE.
Of course I'm not saying that ... I don't believe any such thing, so why would I try to show you where God is saying God will throw people into hell, when it's not true? There is no such thing as eternal hell, Cyber.
Like I said, I was asking a question of someone who DOES believe that the only way God could protect you bible believers from being abused was to throw everyone else in to eternal flames.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Huh? You bold one section of a sentence where I said I don't believe such a thing is true (and that I was asking a question of someone who does), to show that I believe it IS true?
That's twisted.
There is LOVE, Cyber, and no fear of threats of a mythical hell resides within LOVE.
Nothing twisted about it, you words, accusing God that He, "God could protect you bible believers from being abused was to throw everyone else in to eternal flames" and "God will throw people into hell, "
now please show me where he is going to do this !! Those are your words, pleroo !!
ETA: God is not going to cast anyone into hell, they choose to go there themselves. He has provided the way of escape through Jesus Christ !!
No, God doesn't cast them, they choose themselves to go there as they choose to deny (unbelief) the right things God has provided for the way of escape.
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Originally Posted by Cyber Munchkin
ETA: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.†John 3:16-21
That's some doublespeak right there. First the text says that God did not send Jesus to judge the world, and then everything after verse 18 is God's scathing judgement.
That's some doublespeak right there. First the text says that God did not send Jesus to judge the world, and then everything after verse 18 is God's scathing judgement.
No, doublespeaking, they are being judged by themselves in what they choose to believe, just as the scriptures teach,
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
God has set a plan from the beginning and people have the choice to choose and He has provide the way of escape from the judgment through Jesus Christ. He is not casting anyone into hell, period !! They choose to go there themselves.
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.â€
Nothing twisted about it, you words, accusing God that He, "God could protect you bible believers from being abused was to throw everyone else in to eternal flames" and "God will throw people into hell, "
now please show me where he is going to do this !! Those are your words, pleroo !!
ETA: God is not going to cast anyone into hell, they choose to go there themselves. He has provided the way of escape through Jesus Christ !!
There is no way to respond to such a twisted understanding of what I posted, other than to reiterate that I said I do NOT believe those things, and that my questions were posed to someone who DOES.
Are you feeling okay, Cyber? Seriously. I'm a little concerned about you.
I wasn't clear, perhaps. I also am not concerned about what impression it gives me. I would think it would concern you that you, according to your own belief system, are in danger of the fires of eternal hell since you've called someone a fool. Since it does not, it should indicate to you that a little reflection might be worthwhile since there's obviously a disconnect from what you say you believe and what you actually believe.
Maybe I too wasn't clear enough .... you thinking that when somebody declares themselves like what that did is not --- despite your imaginary gotcha ---- the context of what Jesus said vs. those two passages pertaining to a believer not responding at some point.
There is a hell, pleroo, no matter how much you keep denying it, it is real !! My suggestion is you better think that one through once again !!!!
Why is there a hell, Cyber?? What does it accomplish that is good, just and loving??? Have you thought that through at all??? I know you have been taught it and that you have also been taught not to question it. But using your best effort, try to explain why it should even exist if God IS agape love as descriibed in 1 Cor 13, etc. ???
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