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Old 06-03-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Thanks for backing me up on this one trout , that's indeed true, it's called a childlike faith.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Putting away childish things is also a biblical principle. More contradiction?

 
Old 06-03-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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You mean by the Bible? My method is reading and believing Gods Word by it's own testimony.
When you begin with a completely irrational premise you cannot find the truth. It is completely irrational to believe that the human-recorded, human-interpreted, human-compiled, human-transliterated, Bible is 100% the word of God. Such magical thinking is what has caused so much evil in the world. The ONLY Word of God is Jesus the Christ, period and He revealed the TRUE NATURE of God unambiguously by His life and especially His death. He showed us that God is agape love - unconditional love.
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If you don't want to accept Gods Words as an authority to discern right from wrong, then you are basically just making up your own definition of sin (or corrupting Gods Word to make it say what you want it to say) and you make yourself the authority to judge it.
For me the Bible defines it, and the Bible is crystal clear.
Wrong. Jesus defines it and demonstrated it. Anything that violates or is incompatible with agape love is wrong.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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I think this recent trend of trying to use the bible to oppose equal rights for gays is going to turn more people, especially young people, away from religions in greater numbers than would happen naturally.

It's just so close minded and backwards to reject and oppose a whole group of people for rationally doing nothing wrong themselves, they just happened to be born gay.

It's embarrassing when people try to use their religion and bible to be so judgmental and hateful to a group of harmless people like that.
False argument. No one is "trying" to make the bible say this or that, the bible comes right out and condemns homosexuality. If you don't like what the bible says, don't be a christian. But you can not make the bible some gay loving book. Its absolutely not. Its not about if homos are harmless or not. The bible condemns the act and the lust of man on man or woman on woman. Sorry you don't like them apples but you can not change an apple into an orange. You can say I do not agree with the bible and so do not want to have anything to do with it, but you can not change what its principals are. Quit twisting and moveon.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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Putting away childish things is also a biblical principle. More contradiction?
How does that contradict anything? Childlike and childish are not the same. The first is positive refers to dependence, humility, purity, innocence etc. That is what we should become, as little children, putting away our pride and unbelief and faithfully trusting on God our Father for everything.

That's not the same as staying childish in our thinking. We need to receive the Kingdom as a child, humbly and simply trusting in Jesus Christ and His Word. And then by the Holy Spirit mature in our understanding of God, by reading the Bible, fellowship with other Christians, walking in holiness, praying etc.

Mark 10:15 Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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The god of the bible does not accept homos. Its just that simple folks. Get over it and move on.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 01:54 PM
 
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The god of the bible does not accept homos. Its just that simple folks. Get over it and move on.
We got it!

Fortunately, most of us don't worship a book!
 
Old 06-03-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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The god of the bible does not accept homos.
Its just that simple folks.

Get over it and move on.
The Bible was written by men, move beyond it.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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When you begin with a completely irrational premise you cannot find the truth. It is completely irrational to believe that the human-recorded, human-interpreted, human-compiled, human-transliterated, Bible is 100% the word of God. Such magical thinking is what has caused so much evil in the world. The ONLY Word of God is Jesus the Christ, period and He revealed the TRUE NATURE of God unambiguously by His life and especially His death. He showed us that God is agape love - unconditional love.
Wrong. Jesus defines it and demonstrated it. Anything that violates or is incompatible with agape love is wrong.
That's I think one of the most potent lies satan is spreading in these days, denying the Word of God as the Word of God. It undermines everything our faith should be based upon, no stability left whatsoever, every wind of doctrine can lead you anywhere because there's no source of truth anymore.

But I am so glad that Peter so clearly confirms the Bible as fully inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. What an irrational guy right.. magical thinker. Or maybe you need to learn that the Word is the authority over us, as God is the authority over us, not we over God or His Word.

2 Peter 1:19-21 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

You also directly contradict what Paul is teaching Timothy, it's just so obvious that anyone who loves God also would love the Word of God and would uphold it instead of denying it. You are just incredibly deceived and deceiving others.

2 Timothy 3:13-17 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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I think this recent trend of trying to use the bible to oppose equal rights for gays is going to turn more people, especially young people, away from religions in greater numbers than would happen naturally.

It's just so close minded and backwards to reject and oppose a whole group of people for rationally doing nothing wrong themselves, they just happened to be born gay.

It's embarrassing when people try to use their religion and bible to be so judgmental and hateful to a group of harmless people like that.
We just changed the definition of marriage to accommodate the gay population. You lefties ought to be happy with the way things are going.
 
Old 06-03-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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How does that contradict anything? Childlike and childish are not the same. The first is positive refers to dependence, humility, purity, innocence etc. That is what we should become, as little children, putting away our pride and unbelief and faithfully trusting on God our Father for everything.

That's not the same as staying childish in our thinking. We need to receive the Kingdom as a child, humbly and simply trusting in Jesus Christ and His Word. And then by the Holy Spirit mature in our understanding of God, by reading the Bible, fellowship with other Christians, walking in holiness, praying etc.

Mark 10:15 Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
In the case of those who are not willing to use the ability to reason and acknowledge contradictions for what they are, it most certainly is remaining in a state of childish thinking.
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