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I used to have a felt need for that, instilled in me by my fundamentalist Christian upbringing. I am grateful to have come to the realization that it is not God but humans who, for various reasons, insist that God is angry with us and keeping a record of wrongs against us.
If Hitler and me wind up in the same place, I am not going to be happy.
Well, you included verses in there that were not from JC....And the Torah tells us to love our neighbor...So?...He hit the nail on the head...Quakerism...JC Didn't teach disobedience of Torah...
Pathetic childishness. I'll just stick to good sense about the meaning of "the letter kills but the spirit gives life" and let you splutter inanely about it not being what it really means.
They did follow in His footsteps, and were murdered for their convictions
and for following Him. This is how Christianity was able to spread, despite
the blood of the martyrs who did not entice physical rebellion against the
secular powers, but a conversion of the hearts of men and women.
Nope. Christianity was spread by the sword not the truth. It was pretty simple and very effective. You either believed or you were put to death. If Christianity hadn't been adopted as the official religion of Rome, it would have lived and died as it was...an obscure blood cult.
Pathetic childishness. I'll just stick to good sense about the meaning of "the letter kills but the spirit gives life" and let you splutter inanely about it not being what it really means.
Dodgey, huh?...There is nothing of mine to quote...Can't find them, can you?...
all of this comes from a profound need to cover sins.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
I used to have a felt need for that, instilled in me by my fundamentalist Christian upbringing. I am grateful to have come to the realization that it is not God but humans who, for various reasons, insist that God is angry with us and keeping a record of wrongs against us.
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius
If Hitler and me wind up in the same place, I am not going to be happy.
I'm not entirely sure what you're communicating here.
You could be expressing concern that if God isn't holding anyone's sins against them, then people can do terrible things and not pay an eternal price for it. That there are people who are simply unforgivable. Do you feel that way about any of the biblical "heroes" who did terrible things?
Or you could be irked by the thought of God forgiving people who haven't put in the effort like you have. (Like the criminal on the cross.) But, you don't strike me as the type who thinks you're better than others, or that you would begrudge others experiencing God's love and grace because they didn't work hard enough for it.
So, that leads me to the conclusion that perhaps you are expressing simply a misunderstanding about what it means that God isn't angry and holding sins against the world. You seem to think it would mean that the Hitlers of this world would end up "in the same place as you", without first having undergone the same transformation that all of us would need to go through. Is that what you think it means?
I'm not entirely sure what you're communicating here.
You could be expressing concern that if God isn't holding anyone's sins against them, then people can do terrible things and not pay an eternal price for it. That there are people who are simply unforgivable. Do you feel that way about any of the biblical "heroes" who did terrible things?
Or you could be irked by the thought of God forgiving people who haven't put in the effort like you have. (Like the criminal on the cross.) But, you don't strike me as the type who thinks you're better than others.
So, that leads me to the conclusion that perhaps you are expressing simply a misunderstanding about what it means that God isn't angry and holding sins against the world. You seem to think it would mean that the Hitlers of this world, would end up "in the same place as you", without first having undergone the same transformation that all of us would need to go through. Is that what you think it means?
Gosh Pleroo, are you trying to expose the CONSTANT deflection ETers use to try to discredit the concept that people can change after death and that punishment without the possibility of such change is barbaric?
I'm not entirely sure what you're communicating here.
You could be expressing concern that if God isn't holding anyone's sins against them, then people can do terrible things and not pay an eternal price for it. That there are people who are simply unforgivable. Do you feel that way about any of the biblical "heroes" who did terrible things?
Or you could be irked by the thought of God forgiving people who haven't put in the effort like you have. (Like the criminal on the cross.) But, you don't strike me as the type who thinks you're better than others, or that you would begrudge others experiencing God's love and grace because they didn't work hard enough for it.
So, that leads me to the conclusion that perhaps you are expressing simply a misunderstanding about what it means that God isn't angry and holding sins against the world. You seem to think it would mean that the Hitlers of this world would end up "in the same place as you", without first having undergone the same transformation that all of us would need to go through. Is that what you think it means?
What do you think it means when the New Testament shows a person how to cover a multitude of sins?
Charity will cover the multitude of sins, and to bring a person back to the law will cover the multitude of sins.
I simply believe that heaven is not a box that everyone goes to the same place, I believe our actions have much with our eternity.
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