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Old 06-13-2016, 06:52 AM
 
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I was trying to figure out what you were talking about and it kind of reminded me of what few Buddhist things I have read. Your above response to Trout shed some light on it. It looks like you are more talking about locus of control. Am I understanding you correctly that you have an external locus of control and believe God is responsible for personal development and it's less on the efforts of the individual? I have a very high internal locus of control and I am more "get off ur ass" and if you need help ask for it but first and foremost "get off ur ass". That doesn't work all too often by the way.

No one had to tell me I have an ego. I can see how much lipstick I am going through.

The ONLY thing He requires is a willing vessel. The faster a person submits to His Spirit the faster He can work in them. When He said ye can do NOTHING without Me, He didn't mean a few things, or some things, He meant NO THING. There is nothing apart from His Spirit internally working within us that can change us for the long term better; habits don't die, illnesses don't disappear, attitudes don't change, sin doesn't stop.

All of these things that plague us have spiritual roots and without dealing with the root, just like weeds in the natural, pretty soon the fruit is right back. But whom the SON sets free is free indeed, and anything else is an exercise in futility, IF the person truly desires change, because He changes us from the inside out, not the outside in.

Mainstream Chrisitanity sold everyone a false bill of goods, that made relationship with Him like a one time does it all, quick stop shopping trip, get your Jesus and go, instead of a long term spiritually ACTIVE relationship that produces the liberty of the Spirit and growth that leads to knowing who they are in Christ, and relationship with the Father. Knowing who He is, is only the first step. Knowing who He is in you, is a different thing altogether.

The difficult part is coming to the realization of this and accepting it, because man's pride wants to say they accomplished something. But anything they accomplish is temporal, therefore short-term and transitory.

As I have said before, this is where mainstream Christianity missed it big-time, because they eliminated their pattern (the tabernacle), which is the key to unlocking ALL mysteries about ourselves and our makeup and our Creator. Without a vision, His people perish, and they removed the vision. Peace
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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Alright, suppose my principles are different than yours?...
If we both claim to follow Christ then they should be what He unambiguously taught: that love or concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that is known by it's Greek name: Agape.

If you have a different agenda, you willhave different principles.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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Love your neighbor as yourself is expressed in the Torah...So, nothing new...
No, it is not, and Jewish thought was moving toward acknowledgement of that principle AS the guiding principle for living in community and away from sacrifices and strict adherence to a set of rules long before Jesus took up the message. Many Jews today realize its importance but still cling to most of the mitzvot as something more than exptession of ethnic identity, and it is those who insist on imposing those forms on the rest of the world who are in error.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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You don't understand "the letter kills", you are just parroting the writer who wrote that...
No what I am doing as opposed to what you are doing is recognizing the straightforward meaning of the concept rather than cooking up wild explanations to support my agenda.
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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No, it is not, and Jewish thought was moving toward acknowledgement of that principle AS the guiding principle for living in community and away from sacrifices and strict adherence to a set of rules long before Jesus took up the message. Many Jews today realize its importance but still cling to most of the mitzvot as something more than exptession of ethnic identity, and it is those who insist on imposing those forms on the rest of the world who are in error.

Oh, yes it is, Richard is right. It's estimated a full 80% of the NT scripture is a direct reference the Torah and the Prophets. If it were looked at through a Jewish mindset instead of a Hellenistic Greek western based mindset, the figure would more likely be 100%, since He didn't change. Peace
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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Oh, yes it is, Richard is right. It's estimated a full 80% of the NT scripture is a direct reference the Torah and the Prophets. If it were looked at through a Jewish mindset instead of a Hellenistic Greek western based mindset, the figure would more likely be 100%, since He didn't change. Peace
Well, I see that I expressed myself poorly: I meant "no, it is not new."

What I learn from people with an agenda is what their agenda is. Thankfully, I am open to the universal message of the Christ and not parochial concerns.
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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I doubt it was not paying attention so much as blindly promoting dogma and assuming the lie was true. They cannot imagine NOT condemning others for their sin because they think that sin is God's focus. They do not get that God wants agape love and that would eliminate sin if practiced perfectly. It is our imperfect agape love that requires our repentance.
Insightful and cogent as always, Pleroo. This reveals the insidiousness of such self-loathing. The "filthy rags" doctrine is at the root of many psychological problems, not least of which is fundamentalist bigotry and hatred.
Ah filthy rags. An issue of blood. Look to the moon and there will be signs. And the Sun will be turned to darkness.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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Just letting you know I hear you, I can't rep you..... Blessings....
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Ah filthy rags. An issue of blood. Look to the moon and there will be signs. And the Sun will be turned to darkness.
Let me ask you something sir ambiguous.
am·big·u·ous
amˈbiɡyo͞oəs/
adjective
(of language) open to more than one interpretation; having a double meaning.
"the question is rather ambiguous"
unclear or inexact because a choice between alternatives has not been made.
"this whole society is morally ambiguous"
synonyms: equivocal, ambivalent, open to debate/argument, arguable, debatable; More


How will you guard your heart with out instruction?
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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Let me ask you something sir ambiguous.
am·big·u·ous
amˈbiɡyo͞oəs/
adjective
(of language) open to more than one interpretation; having a double meaning.
"the question is rather ambiguous"
unclear or inexact because a choice between alternatives has not been made.
"this whole society is morally ambiguous"
synonyms: equivocal, ambivalent, open to debate/argument, arguable, debatable; More


How will you guard your heart with out instruction?

Who are you talking to? Peace
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