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Except that it IS subject to your approval. Unless we approve of the same things you do, we get labeled as haters.
Except it isn't. In general, things are subject to the approval of society on a whole. As a society, we do not approve of things like the KKK and Nazis. They are labeled as hate groups and they cause harm to others. A gay couple getting married does not. The baker is also not being asked to make a "gay" wedding cake, or to put anything about the approval of gay marriage on the cake. Nothing is different about the cake, other than the people getting married.
As a business owner who sells wedding cakes (as an example), you don't need to approve of the ceremony. No one is asking for the bakers approval. They are asking the baker to do his job, which is baking cakes. Specifically wedding cakes, which he bakes for straight couples. Meaning he is being discriminatory in turning away gay couples.
No one gives a rats behind if the baker "approves" of the union. No one asking for his approval. If simply selling the cake shows approval, does that mean he approves of every other wedding he has made a cake for? Even the ones with adulterers and obese/lazy people, criminals, or any other "sinners"? Again, why is this one "sin" treated so differently?
Same thing goes for you. I don't care if you personally approve of gay marriage. The only thing asked of you, and everyone else, is to not discriminate or treat people differently simply because you don't approve of their marriage, or sexual orientation. That isn't comparable to KKK and Nazis. Sorry, BF.
Except it isn't. In general, things are subject to the approval of society on a whole. As a society, we do not approve of things like the KKK and Nazis. They are labeled as hate groups and they cause harm to others. A gay couple getting married does not. The baker is also not being asked to make a "gay" wedding cake, or to put anything about the approval of gay marriage on the cake. Nothing is different about the cake, other than the people getting married.
As a business owner who sells wedding cakes (as an example), you don't need to approve of the ceremony. No one is asking for the bakers approval. They are asking the baker to do his job, which is baking cakes. Specifically wedding cakes, which he bakes for straight couples. Meaning he is being discriminatory in turning away gay couples.
No one gives a rats behind if the baker "approves" of the union. No one asking for his approval. If simply selling the cake shows approval, does that mean he approves of every other wedding he has made a cake for? Even the ones with adulterers and obese/lazy people, criminals, or any other "sinners"? Again, why is this one "sin" treated so differently?
Same thing goes for you. I don't care if you personally approve of gay marriage. The only thing asked of you, and everyone else, is to not discriminate or treat people differently simply because you don't approve of their marriage, or sexual orientation. That isn't comparable to KKK and Nazis. Sorry, BF.
My ex owns and operates a large wedding venue. I've gone out to help her work weddings on more than one occasion. The florist and the baker arrive a long time before the ceremony, set up the flowers and cake and then leave. They do not participate in a ceremony. They are not 'participants' at all.
This brouhaha with the florist and baker was much more a political stunt than anything religious related. The marriage of the religious right and the political right is much more at the forefront of this than anything biblical. Talk about an unholy marriage...
...And this from a rather conservative (still in many ways) guy on both the political and religious side of things.
My ex owns and operates a large wedding venue. I've gone out to help her work weddings on more than one occasion. The florist and the baker arrive a long time before the ceremony, set up the flowers and cake and then leave. They do not participate in a ceremony. They are not 'participants' at all.
This brouhaha with the florist and baker was much more a political stunt than anything religious related. The marriage of the religious right and the political right is much more at the forefront of this than anything biblical. Talk about an unholy marriage...
...And this from a rather conservative (still in many ways) guy on both the political and religious side of things.
Exactly, SM. It does not require them to participate, or approve of the marriage. They can still disapprove of gay marriage, while also serving their customers. The sex of the participants is irrelevant while making a cake or delivering flowers or providing a venue. This is not hard for most people to understand.
Personal experiences and our reactions to them cause us to grow, learn and change. That allows for our understanding of God to do the same. God is the one who puts things like bxlover's nephew in his path, so that we may break out of our calcified ideas about God and scripture, and know a living God who is far bigger than our flawed and limited personal concepts.
If when God puts these circumstances in our path---like the Good Samaritan parable---we choose legalism over love---then we will not grow.
Personal anecdotes were what made the parables so powerful.
So, you're equating obesity with other sins? There is nothing in the Bible that addresses obesity. But it's interesting to see that apparently that's the unforgivable sin among your side.
Having said that, don't assume that because a church lets unqualified people serve in leadership that it's something God wants, or that it's correct.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topi...bout-gluttony/ Gluttony is a serious sin in the bible. But we don't rebuke them as often as others, because maybe we might be fat ourselves, or our parents, kids, spouse, pastor, neighbors. So we choose to disregard the bible clear teaching. Yet, we hold the sin of homosexuality over people and constantly rebuke them. That is immoral. When Aides came out pastors preached it was a judgement on sinners. But is Diabetes, Heart diesease, fatty liver, sleep apnea a heaven sent punishment to the gluttonous and slothful?
The good Samaritan is not a story in general, it is a story about two bitter enemies, not just somebody passing by, it is a person coming across their very worst enemy, it is a story of the world and a Jew.
To stop and help another person has nothing to do with being a good Samaritan, a Samaritan is a person born in lies, a person claiming the inheritance of Israel when they have no rights in Israel. Just like that Samaritan woman at the well just lying through her teeth as all Samaritans had done before her, she was just another liar, an enemy.
That is what the parable of the good Samaritan is on the surface, a person comes across his greatest enemy.
Helping a person in need cannot make you a good Samaritan, go out and help your worst enemy, go out and help that person you would naturally hate. As a Gentile falsely claiming an inheritance in Israel, go out and help a Jew........Just saying, ''The Good Samaritan thing always comes up, but the truth of it is never known.''
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topi...bout-gluttony/ Gluttony is a serious sin in the bible. But we don't rebuke them as often as others, because maybe we might be fat ourselves, or our parents, kids, spouse, pastor, neighbors. So we choose to disregard the bible clear teaching.
Has it occurred to you that one can be fat without being a glutton?
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Yet, we hold the sin of homosexuality over people and constantly rebuke them. That is immoral. When Aides came out pastors preached it was a judgement on sinners. But is Diabetes, Heart diesease, fatty liver, sleep apnea a heaven sent punishment to the gluttonous and slothful?
1 Timothy 3 specifically addresses sexual sin among leaders in the church. It doesn't mention gluttony. Nor does it suggest he must have a 32 inch waist or be able to run a 7 minute mile.
Except it isn't. In general, things are subject to the approval of society on a whole. As a society, we do not approve of things like the KKK and Nazis. They are labeled as hate groups and they cause harm to others. A gay couple getting married does not. The baker is also not being asked to make a "gay" wedding cake, or to put anything about the approval of gay marriage on the cake. Nothing is different about the cake, other than the people getting married.
As a business owner who sells wedding cakes (as an example), you don't need to approve of the ceremony. No one is asking for the bakers approval. They are asking the baker to do his job, which is baking cakes. Specifically wedding cakes, which he bakes for straight couples. Meaning he is being discriminatory in turning away gay couples.
No one gives a rats behind if the baker "approves" of the union. No one asking for his approval. If simply selling the cake shows approval, does that mean he approves of every other wedding he has made a cake for? Even the ones with adulterers and obese/lazy people, criminals, or any other "sinners"? Again, why is this one "sin" treated so differently?
Same thing goes for you. I don't care if you personally approve of gay marriage. The only thing asked of you, and everyone else, is to not discriminate or treat people differently simply because you don't approve of their marriage, or sexual orientation. That isn't comparable to KKK and Nazis. Sorry, BF.
Right. And you've bought into the notion that daring to suggest that homosexuality is wrong is equivalent to the kkk.
And then you duck and hide behind your "holy" book.
I'm what? I do what? I'm sorry, but you're kind of rambling here.
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