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Old 07-09-2021, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sounds like punishment to me, but my mind doesn't work properly.

Luke 12:5

"But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!"

Is this punishment or is my mind not working?
Your mind isn't functioning within normal parameters, then again, it's fear that motivates you and your companion.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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There's only a "lure" to sin if you're weak-minded. You have to allow it to control you, and/or allow yourself to be a victim of it. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to participate in it.
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Yep
Double that!
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:23 PM
 
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The Bible tells us that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

"smorgasborg religion" picks and chooses out of the Bible what it wants to believe and feels justified in rejecting certain doctrines in the Bible.

Why study the Bible at all? Make up your own religion and use your own words to describe it instead of stealing words from Jesus Christ and the apostles to make up your own religion.
I believe we should study the bible, but each is given their own bit as we are told in Corinthians (Greek)

Interpretations is what has been built upon over the past 2 millennium by those using the name Christian

In Ephesians it is not the flesh and blood we are warring with, but with the hierarchy

Eph 6:12**For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13**Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


And according to James it is those who come under the greater condemnation


Taming the Tongue
Jas 3:1**My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 3:2**For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:24 PM
 
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Your mind isn't functioning within normal parameters, then again, it's fear that motivates you and your companion.
I have known the terror of the Lord; however I do not experience it on a regular basis.

It only comes into effect when I begin to get close to the edge of those boundaries that God has set for me to walk in.

When I am walking well within those boundaries, I am enveloped by perfect love which cast out fear.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:26 PM
 
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... the thing that I commonly quote from Matthew.

Mat 25:46, And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

For if "everlasting" here means "age-abiding", then John 3:16 only promises "age-abiding" life;...

And your spiritual life that you have received from God, if you have received it, will end when the age ends.

Again, we are currently in the age of grace; which will end when the Great Tribulation begins.

So, as soon as the age of grace ends, your spiritual life will end.

That means that you will go through the Great Tribulation (read the Book of Revelation for details).
[It] is dealing with the quality of that life, nothing about an eternity of life or punishment. No doubt you will spend some time in the Lake of fire to remove the false doctrine that you hold dear to your mind and heart before joining everyone else throughout the ages to come.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:28 PM
 
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I believe we should study the bible, but each is given their own bit as we are told in Corinthians (Greek)

Interpretations is what has been built upon over the past 2 millennium by those using the name Christian

In Ephesians it is not the flesh and blood we are warring with, but with the hierarchy

Eph 6:12**For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13**Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


And according to James it is those who come under the greater condemnation


Taming the Tongue
Jas 3:1**My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 3:2**For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
A better way of looking at that verse is to understand it to mean that teachers shall incur a stricter judgment.

Of course, if a man is called to the ministry, he cannot help but preach the word of the Lord as he understands it. If he didn't, he would be like the slothful and lazy servant who took his talent and hid it in the sand.

The called minister says with Paul therefore, "Woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" (1 Corinthians 9:16)
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:29 PM
 
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I have known the terror of the Lord; however I do not experience it on a regular basis. It only comes into effect when I begin to get close to the edge of those boundaries that God has set for me to walk in.
Terror of the Lord, huh? Getting close to the edge? Sounds like hanging out more in the camp of the guy with the red pitchfork than the loving / forgiving savior.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:29 PM
 
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I have known the terror of the Lord; however I do not experience it on a regular basis.

It only comes into effect when I begin to get close to the edge of those boundaries that God has set for me to walk in.

When I am walking well within those boundaries, I am enveloped by perfect love which cast out fear.
[It] may help to remove that dross and the timber in your own eye.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:31 PM
 
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[It] is dealing with the quality of that life, nothing about an eternity of life or punishment. No doubt you will spend some time in the Lake of fire to remove the false doctrine that you hold dear to your mind and heart before joining everyone else throughout the ages to come.
That would be a wonderful way for God to prove to me that the lake of fire doesn't exist.

<sarcasm>
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:34 PM
 
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Terror of the Lord, huh? Getting close to the edge? Someone like hanging out more in the camp of the guy with the red pitchfork than the loving / forgiving savior.
A lot of people do seem to have this idea that Jesus is some namby-pamby guy who does not have any judgment or ability to carry it out.

They will be in for a rude awakening on their day of judgment; if that understanding leads them to sin against Him and never to come to repentance.
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