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Psa 5:5, The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psa 5:6, Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psa 7:11, God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
I am only quoting a few of the scriptures that speak on this subject in order to get a response.
It should be clear that the LORD abhors the bloody and deceitful man and that He hates all workers of iniquity.
He also, judges even the righteous; and is angry with the wicked every day.
Thoughts and comments?
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I know that there are a few here who will discount the above scriptures as "not being in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love"
So, in this thread, I would also like to discuss the rationale that these people have for discounting certain scriptures while receiving others.
What is the criteria for this judgment? Anything that speaks of the Lord punishing the wicked is to be removed from holy scripture?
Is there any other reason why a scripture should not be included as inspired?
Because, if God's righteous judgment is the only thing that can be determined to "not be in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love", then I smell a rat.
It seems to me that there is simply a bias against a certain type of doctrine that is being wrapped up into semi-acceptable terminology as a selling point.
Psa 5:5, The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psa 5:6, Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psa 7:11, God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
I am only quoting a few of the scriptures that speak on this subject in order to get a response.
It should be clear that the LORD abhors the bloody and deceitful man and that He hates all workers of iniquity.
He also, judges even the righteous; and is angry with the wicked every day.
Thoughts and comments?
.
.
.
I know that there are a few here who will discount the above scriptures as "not being in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love"
So, in this thread, I would also like to discuss the rationale that these people have for discounting certain scriptures while receiving others.
What is the criteria for this judgment? Anything that speaks of the Lord punishing the wicked is to be removed from holy scripture?
Is there any other reason why a scripture should not be included as inspired?
Because, if God's righteous judgment is the only thing that can be determined to "not be in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love", then I smell a rat.
It seems to me that there is simply a bias against a certain type of doctrine that is being wrapped up into semi-acceptable terminology as a selling point.
You need a doctor, not more debate. You are suffering from The Elder-Brother Syndrome.
Everyone was happy, except one: the prodigal’s brother. Upon hearing the news that the prodigal had returned and was suddenly his equal, the brother reacted with anger and discouragement. Significantly, we are told, he stood outside his father’s house “and would not go in.” The symbolism of remaining outside the Father’s house is striking.
When the father came out to beg the second son to reconsider (notice that the father has now rushed to recover both his sons), the boy complained that he was being treated unfairly. This selfish attitude betrays the boy’s true character. Was he really the dutiful son? Was he really interested in his father and his father’s concerns? If he had been interested in his father’s concerns, why had he apparently abandoned his father to shoulder alone the burden of a lost son?
He thought because he obeyed the rules, he deserved blessing.
His motive was to receive, not to show love to his father.
He thought his brother’s sinfulness was unforgivable.
He resented his father’s joy and refused to share in it.
This is the reason you guys refute UR, not because of scripture. There is more scripture that supports UR over ET yet that is not the issue. It is an issue of the heart.
Psa 5:5, The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psa 5:6, Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psa 7:11, God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
I am only quoting a few of the scriptures that speak on this subject in order to get a response.
It should be clear that the LORD abhors the bloody and deceitful man and that He hates all workers of iniquity.
He also, judges even the righteous; and is angry with the wicked every day.
Thoughts and comments?
.
.
.
I know that there are a few here who will discount the above scriptures as "not being in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love"
So, in this thread, I would also like to discuss the rationale that these people have for discounting certain scriptures while receiving others.
What is the criteria for this judgment? Anything that speaks of the Lord punishing the wicked is to be removed from holy scripture?
Is there any other reason why a scripture should not be included as inspired?
Because, if God's righteous judgment is the only thing that can be determined to "not be in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love", then I smell a rat.
It seems to me that there is simply a bias against a certain type of doctrine that is being wrapped up into semi-acceptable terminology as a selling point.
No doubt you think God is Righteous sir. Likely you believe Him to be a Just God, which is short for Justice. He knows we all sin everyday, matter of fact we simply cannot help it. That is why He provided a ransom for us. Of course that is not a free ticket for us to sin, at all. He expects us to live by His rules and regulations, but never forces us to do so. He willingly submitted when Adam and Eve requested to be their own gods, so He leaves that choice up to all of us. He does offer outstanding benefits however, to those who willingly obey Him, which even benefit us today.
You need a doctor, not more debate. You are suffering from The Elder-Brother Syndrome.
Everyone was happy, except one: the prodigal’s brother. Upon hearing the news that the prodigal had returned and was suddenly his equal, the brother reacted with anger and discouragement. Significantly, we are told, he stood outside his father’s house “and would not go in.” The symbolism of remaining outside the Father’s house is striking.
When the father came out to beg the second son to reconsider (notice that the father has now rushed to recover both his sons), the boy complained that he was being treated unfairly. This selfish attitude betrays the boy’s true character. Was he really the dutiful son? Was he really interested in his father and his father’s concerns? If he had been interested in his father’s concerns, why had he apparently abandoned his father to shoulder alone the burden of a lost son?
He thought because he obeyed the rules, he deserved blessing.
His motive was to receive, not to show love to his father.
He thought his brother’s sinfulness was unforgivable.
He resented his father’s joy and refused to share in it.
This is the reason you guys refute UR, not because of scripture. There is more scripture that supports UR over ET yet that is not the issue. It is an issue of the heart.
It's pretty simple to most, he's preaching on the UR's cherry picking of the scripture!
He's preaching the truth! Any descent church in the land that holds to the fundamentals of Christianity would expel all you URites from the premises.
Forum after forum are ridding themselves of the pagan URites! They were scattered around but now becoming congregated together more densely.
They teach others to ignore the scripture that doesn't teach their perverted mindset. But greater is He who is in us than he who is in you!
You all should be ashamed of yourselves for doing such but you're not, that's why it takes a firm hand to deal with your perversion, teaching others the wrong way!
You have the right to teach what you believe, but we will not sit idle without revealing the truth of your perversion!
You need a doctor, not more debate. You are suffering from The Elder-Brother Syndrome.
Everyone was happy, except one: the prodigal’s brother. Upon hearing the news that the prodigal had returned and was suddenly his equal, the brother reacted with anger and discouragement. Significantly, we are told, he stood outside his father’s house “and would not go in.” The symbolism of remaining outside the Father’s house is striking.
When the father came out to beg the second son to reconsider (notice that the father has now rushed to recover both his sons), the boy complained that he was being treated unfairly. This selfish attitude betrays the boy’s true character. Was he really the dutiful son? Was he really interested in his father and his father’s concerns? If he had been interested in his father’s concerns, why had he apparently abandoned his father to shoulder alone the burden of a lost son?
He thought because he obeyed the rules, he deserved blessing.
His motive was to receive, not to show love to his father.
He thought his brother’s sinfulness was unforgivable.
He resented his father’s joy and refused to share in it.
This is the reason you guys refute UR, not because of scripture. There is more scripture that supports UR over ET yet that is not the issue. It is an issue of the heart.
I certainly do not think that anyone's sin is unforgiveable (unless it is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).
But I do believe that sins are not forgiven except through the shed blood of Christ on the Cross of Calvary.
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No doubt you think God is Righteous sir. Likely you believe Him to be a Just God, which is short for Justice. He knows we all sin everyday, matter of fact we simply cannot help it. That is why He provided a ransom for us. Of course that is not a free ticket for us to sin, at all. He expects us to live by His rules and regulations, but never forces us to do so. He willingly submitted when Adam and Eve requested to be their own gods, so He leaves that choice up to all of us. He does offer outstanding benefits however, to those who willingly obey Him, which even benefit us today.
Those who are born of God do not and cannot sin (1 John 3:9 (esp. the kjv)).
Any second now someone will be by to tell us that's how our barbaric ancestors thought, and he'll give his $.02 about how he thinks God wants us to just love. He won't actually base that on anything, except his own feelings.
Any second now someone will be by to tell us that's how our barbaric ancestors thought, and he'll give his $.02 about how he thinks God wants us to just love. He won't actually base that on anything, except his own feelings.
Yes, the 2nd section of the OP is addressed to that person (MysticPhD).
I certainly do not think that anyone's sin is unforgivable (unless it is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). But I do believe that sins are not forgiven except through the shed blood of Christ on the Cross of Calvary.
Jesus Christ's blood was shed! What exactly do you think can UNDO the forgiveness achieved by the shed blood of Christ on Calvary, JBF????
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Those who are born of God do not and cannot sin (1 John 3:9 (esp. the kjv)).
This is true. All those who have agape love are "born of God" (conceived by God) and cannot sin while in the states of mind of agape love.
Yeah, some dupes live under a dark cloud of sin and judgement their entire lives. In constant Chicken Little mode, cowering under the sky, and the powerful and angry God above. Stunts any chance of spiritual growth or advancement, and social communication and growth too.
Others recognize what Jesus said and did, and go beyond sin to live a new life. They're already reaping benefits and insights into the kingdom (and maybe 'heaven') here and now.
Night and day difference in these two approaches. And how crappy are those who call themselves "Christians", but constantly turn back to look behind them, like Lot's wife. What a disgrace.
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