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Regret and remorse, something I am confident you and Charlie will face, I'm afraid! You really need to learn what faith actually is and which is more important, faith hope or love.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
You are not contending for the faith, rather you are pushing people away in ignorance.
I'm afraid they are not fostering either Faith, Hope, or Love, in fact, just the opposite.
So, you're saying that the fire that never be quenched will not be felt by the person who is cast into hell; because it is only their flesh that is cast there and not their soul and spirit.
1) This reeks of gnosticism; and,
2) Why then is there "wailing and gnashing of teeth" in that furnace of fire (Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50)?
The wailing and gnashing of teeth is not "in that furnace", but rather occurs in the soul when being separated from the "flesh", the "old man". The soul experiences that pain and regret during judgment. That is what scripture says. And it is not only for the unbelieving Gentiles, but also unbelieving Israel, in judgment (Rom 11:25 ff).
However, God shall wipe away all tears thereafter, and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor pain. For the former things will have passed away.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
I had no idea this was considered gnosticism. It is, however, scriptural. We've also had this discussion in the UR thread too.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth is not "in that furnace", but rather occurs in the soul when being separated from the "flesh", the "old man". The soul experiences that pain and regret during judgment. That is what scripture says. And it is not only for the unbelieving Gentiles, but also unbelieving Israel, in judgment (Rom 11:25 ff).
However, God shall wipe away all tears thereafter, and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor pain. For the former things will have passed away.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
I had no idea this was considered gnosticism. It is, however, scriptural. We've also had this discussion in the UR thread too.
JJ i really don't think JBF or charlie have any understanding of the old man, but your posts on this subject are hopefully helping others to see. I believe they are so keep posting brother you have been a wonderful addition to CD
JJ i really don't think JBF or charlie have any understanding of the old man, but your posts on this subject are hopefully helping others to see. I believe they are so keep posting brother you have been a wonderful addition to CD
JJ i really don't think JBF or charlie have any understanding of the old man, but your posts on this subject are hopefully helping others to see. I believe they are so keep posting brother you have been a wonderful addition to CD
Thanks for the warm welcome pneuma. I actually came to City-Data not to discuss UR, but rather to discuss "flesh" vs "spirit". That's a topic that Jesus has tasked me with, and one I had not really given much thought to, until recently. Both you and R2L have shared greatly in that regard.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth is not "in that furnace", but rather occurs in the soul when being separated from the "flesh", the "old man".
Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
See Luke 16:10. Because you lied about this scripture (which might be considered to be a little thing) you will not be faithful in greater things. Consider yourself marked.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
You are not contending for the faith, rather you are pushing people away in ignorance.
I am preaching the truth; and sound doctrine. If people will not endure sound doctrine in these last days, then that is not on me. I will be faithful to preach sound doctrine whether people will believe in it or not.
The prophet Jeremiah had no converts; however he was commended for being faithful to the Lord.
Sometimes God will send His ministers to a group of people who will never believe the truth.
But, He sends them to them so that they will not be able to have any excuse on their day of judgment that they never heard or were never convinced of the truth.
It will be clear on that day that they heard the truth and that it was irrefutably shown to them; but they rejected it because it was their will to do so.
Therefore they will have no one to blame but themselves when they are cast into the furnace of fire.
I am preaching the truth; and sound doctrine. If people will not endure sound doctrine in these last days, then that is not on me. I will be faithful to preach sound doctrine whether people will believe in it or not.
The prophet Jeremiah had no converts; however he was commended for being faithful to the Lord.
Sometimes God will send His ministers to a group of people who will never believe the truth.
But, He sends them to them so that they will not be able to have any excuse on their day of judgment that they never heard or were never convinced of the truth.
It will be clear on that day that they heard the truth and that it was irrefutably shown to them; but they rejected it because it was their will to do so.
Therefore they will have no one to blame but themselves when they are cast into the furnace of fire.
Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
See Luke 16:10. Because you lied about this scripture (which might be considered to be a little thing) you will not be faithful in greater things. Consider yourself marked.
I am preaching the truth; and sound doctrine. If people will not endure sound doctrine in these last days, then that is not on me. I will be faithful to preach sound doctrine whether people will believe in it or not.
The prophet Jeremiah had no converts; however he was commended for being faithful to the Lord.
Sometimes God will send His ministers to a group of people who will never believe the truth.
But, He sends them to them so that they will not be able to have any excuse on their day of judgment that they never heard or were never convinced of the truth.
It will be clear on that day that they heard the truth and that it was irrefutably shown to them; but they rejected it because it was their will to do so.
Therefore they will have no one to blame but themselves when they are cast into the furnace of fire.
there is nothing good or healthy(sound) about your doctrine of devils
I like to exalt my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ; which is exactly what I have been doing here.
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Originally Posted by pneuma
there is nothing good or healthy(sound) about your doctrine of devils
Yours is the doctrine of devils; for those who believe in your doctrine will be caught unawares without a warning about what awaits them in eternity. They will be in for a rude awakening on their day of judgment; whereas if they had believed in the truth, they might have taken warning and repented of their sins and received Christ's finished work as a propitiation.
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