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You interpret it as wrath because that is what motivates humans but our ways are not God's ways. Is it a warning to Israel of impending spiritual consequences? I could accept that. Is it a demonstration of wrath? No! I feel the same about you, JBF. Sorry, brother. I reject outright your concept of Hell, eternal sinning, and punishment. Christ's God loves, chastises, corrects, and then forgives, period.
And if someone will not receive the chastisement but decides that they will never bow the knee to Jesus because in their opinion He is obviously satan?
What is the fate of the person who will never repent of being a sinner; who never avails Himself of what Christ did for Him in order to deal with the sin nature within him?
If someone has genuine faith in Christ and then falls away from that faith, the Bible teaches (in Hebrews 6:1-8) that it is impossible to bring such a person to repentance.
So, that is one case in holy scripture of someone who will never repent.
I know that you reject my concepts of hell, eternal sinning, and punishment. But in doing so you cannot honestly call yourself a Bible-believing Christian. And those are the only kind of Christians who are truly born again, impaho.
And if someone will not receive the chastisement but decides that they will never bow the knee to Jesus because in their opinion He is obviously satan?
What is the fate of the person who will never repent of being a sinner; who never avails Himself of what Christ did for Him in order to deal with the sin nature within him?
If someone has genuine faith in Christ and then falls away from that faith, the Bible teaches (in Hebrews 6:1-8) that it is impossible to bring such a person to repentance.
So, that is one case in holy scripture of someone who will never repent.
I know that you reject my concepts of hell, eternal sinning, and punishment. But in doing so you cannot honestly call yourself a Bible-believing Christian. And those are the only kind of Christians who are truly born again, impaho.
That is not a problem, JBF. I do not expect to be born again until my physical death. I do not believe Bible-believing Christians actually follow Christ. I believe they bend the knee to the Bible. Christ's agape-loving God is my version of God, NOT your wrathful, vengeful Bible-believing version.
And if someone will not receive the chastisement but decides that they will never bow the knee to Jesus because in their opinion He is obviously satan?
What is the fate of the person who will never repent of being a sinner; who never avails Himself of what Christ did for Him in order to deal with the sin nature within him?
If someone has genuine faith in Christ and then falls away from that faith, the Bible teaches (in Hebrews 6:1-8) that it is impossible to bring such a person to repentance.
So, that is one case in holy scripture of someone who will never repent.
I know that you reject my concepts of hell, eternal sinning, and punishment. But in doing so you cannot honestly call yourself a Bible-believing Christian. And those are the only kind of Christians who are truly born again, impaho.
Does that mean, in my pathetic and humble opinion (impaho)? The only thing you are doing is following the beliefs which were adopted into Christianism from a multitude of different cultures. Like that of the Greek and Egyptians to name a couple. Your rote learning is void of any discernment for the truth.
Does that mean, in my pathetic and humble opinion (impaho)? The only thing you are doing is following the beliefs which were adopted into Christianism from a multitude of different cultures. Like that of the Greek and Egyptians to name a couple. Your rote learning is void of any discernment for the truth.
The "p" stand for personal.
Although someone once jokngly told me that they thought I meant, "in my perfect and honest opinion"
While in my acronym, the "h" does stand for humble.
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So, do you believe that what we have in the Bible as the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is actually pagan beliefs adopted from many different cultures?
I would say that such a concept does not make any sense to me.
For it is the Bible that stands as a bastion of truth against pagan beliefs.
For if it is not the Bible that does this, what on earth does?
The "p" stand for personal.
Although someone once jokngly told me that they thought I meant, "in my perfect and honest opinion"
While in my acronym, the "h" does stand for humble..
So, do you believe that what we have in the Bible as the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is actually pagan beliefs adopted from many different cultures?
I would say that such a concept does not make any sense to me. For it is the Bible that stands as a bastion of truth against pagan beliefs.
For if it is not the Bible that does this, what on earth does?
Jesus Christ does!!! You know, the one you ignore in favor of the Bible that tells us about Him.
Jesus Christ does!!! You know, the one you ignore in favor of the Bible that tells us about Him.
If I am in favour of a Book that tells me about Jesus Christ, how then can I be ignoring Him?
I am learning about Him more and more every day through what I read in that Book.
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Originally Posted by pneuma
Nonsense the scripture says He is the saviour of ALL MEN, and other doctrine that says otherwise is a doctrine of devils.
How, then, is there everlasting punishment for some (Matthew 25:46)? Was Jesus purporting a doctrine of devils when He spoke what He said in that verse?
Please note that I believe that the English translations we have today (specifically and especially the kjv) is so that the common people can have access to the unadulterated message of the word of God.
The educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; while the common people heard Him gladly.
Which corresponds to educated Greek and Hebrew scholars of today, who are also inclined to reject Jesus as He is (see Mark 4:36, Exodus 3:14).
While those who read and trust the Bible as it is given to them in their own language correspond to the common people of Jesus' day.
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God is both loving and Omnipotent and sovereign.
Because He is Omnipotent and sovereign, He has the power to preserve the holy scriptures as an unadulterated message as it is given to the common people.
Because He is loving, He is motivated to do so.
Therefore, I conclude that we do not need to be educated in Hebrew and Greek in order to have access to the Lord's unadulterated message.
There are those who would argue about words to the detriment of (1 Timothy 6:4) and to the subverting of (2 Timothy 2:14) the hearers.
Last edited by justbyfaith; 08-06-2021 at 12:34 AM..
Nonsense the scripture says He is the saviour of ALL MEN, and other doctrine that says otherwise is a doctrine of devils.
The nonsense is coming from you, pneuma! He is the Saviour of all men in that He is the only Saviour and way to eternal life. There is no other way!
Nowhere in scripture do we find what you teach, that all mankind will be saved! You say it and can't show us one line in scripture to support it. You only have a non-scriptural theory based on your own ideas.
The scripture means nothing to you, and truth takes a backseat to your own way of thinking.
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